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AMANDLA......AWETHU!The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-75281957918609100152008-01-11T04:00:00.000-08:002008-01-11T04:05:31.674-08:00NEW ANC PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD (11/01/2008)<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiBi5w80D7D762s83pYtjmUCCV5I4a03VOLks5-0IWz1ERLc72FZ3WkR8gt3sJv3RL-mGZDldtgD2vq0hW-PrH8bruoWSZe0_IHL0j7zIUHDboJoy2c7_66l86oWezn8mgfyeJeZemaC4U/s1600-h/zuma+jacob.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiBi5w80D7D762s83pYtjmUCCV5I4a03VOLks5-0IWz1ERLc72FZ3WkR8gt3sJv3RL-mGZDldtgD2vq0hW-PrH8bruoWSZe0_IHL0j7zIUHDboJoy2c7_66l86oWezn8mgfyeJeZemaC4U/s320/zuma+jacob.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5154188858023022018" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/anctoday/2008/at01.htm#preslet">LINK!!!!!</a><br /><br />The one and only ANC!<br /><br />This week the ANC celebrates its 96th anniversary with a rally in Atteridgeville, Tshwane, bringing the organisation ever closer to its centenary in 2012.<br /><br />Few political movements in the world can claim such longevity. Yet it is not only its vintage that the ANC is celebrating. It is also a proud history of struggle with and for the people. It is a proud history that has brought freedom to our nation, and which has seen unprecedented progress in the course of just over a decade to undo the legacy of colonialism and apartheid.<br /><br />The ANC today is a strong, vibrant and dynamic organisation that enjoys the confidence and support of the masses of the people, as demonstrated in successive elections since 1994. The membership of the ANC has grown significantly over the last five years; there are now over half a million paid-up ANC members. There is still much room for growth and we intend to swell our branches with even more members during 2008 and the coming years.<br /><br />The ANC has always been an integral part of the lives of the people of our country. <br />Its growth is celebrated by all who recognize the central role it plays in the life of our nation. Its general state of health is always of concern to all sectors, be it business, faith-based organisations, non-governmental organisations, the media, traditional leaders, labour and the international community.<br /><br />Fortunately, emerging from the national conference in Polokwane, we are able to say proudly that the ANC can only go from strength to strength. There is only one ANC. It is united and very focused on its mandate of leading transformation and being the leader of development and progress in our country.<br /><br />As we gather in Tshwane to celebrate the 96th anniversary, we are called upon to reflect on our history, to understand why the ANC has lasted so long and achieved so much. We must do this better to understand what we will need to do to ensure that the ANC continues to thrive and continues diligently to serve the people long after its centenary.<br /><br />In preparation for its National General Council (NGC) in 2005, the ANC produced a discussion document entitled 'Unity and Diversity in the ANC'. The document said: "In South Africa and in other parts of the world, movements and parties of about the same age as the ANC, have collapsed, become irrelevant or are struggling to stay alive. <br />What has given the ANC this extraordinary capacity to survive and sustain its relevance?"<br /><br />Among the answers to this question that the document suggested was that the ANC's capacity to survive lay in its approach to the question of unity:<br /><br />"Unity is an organisational value upheld and pursued by all political movements because it enhances the effectiveness of collective action. But, political collectives are made up of diverse individual members, who have come together to pool their energies in pursuance of shared objectives. The more elastic the breadth of the collective and the greater the depth of its potential appeal, the greater the prospect of tensions and conflicts among its adherents. The imperatives of coherent and effective action therefore require a leadership to exercise vigilance not to allow potential and actual tensions to jeopardise it".<br /><br />The document made the fundamental point that unity is not achieved by mere agreement on its desirability. It is built through ongoing democratic debate and sustained through political action. It is achieved by encouraging a contest of views and a respect for decisions collectively and democratically taken. That is why we have always spoken about 'Unity in Action'.<br /><br />We reiterate that the ANC is not divided. There are no fundamental policy differences among any members or leaders of the ANC. The vibrant debate that is sometimes misconstrued as division is merely differences of opinion on the implementation of our programme of action. It is a healthy phenomenon which keeps all of us on our toes. We have consistently argued that the mere existence of different views - whether on questions of leadership, policy or strategy - no matter how strongly held or firmly expressed, does not mean that the organisation is divided.<br /><br />On this 96th anniversary, we underline that ours is a resilient organisation that will continue to grow, fortified by the culture of internal democracy, open debate and engagement. We will focus on re-inculcating that culture of a type of open debate that does not create any hostilities. We need to promote an exchange of views that makes it possible for comrades to disagree vociferously, but still remain firm comrades and friends. A culture that makes every issue open to debate and scrutiny, in a comradely manner.<br /><br />Given the vibrancy and nature of this organisation, the debates are not likely to stop anytime soon. The boundless energy of the ANC Youth League will continue to reverberate throughout the length and breadth of our country, ensuring adherence to the culture and traditions of the movement as it has historically done. The ANC Women's League will continue to bring the gender question to the centre of our social, political and economic life, building on the remarkable gains made at Polokwane.<br /><br />Our Alliance Partners are known to make their views known speedily should they suspect we are compromising the National Democratic Revolution! Working together to implement the resolutions of our respective conferences, we should be able to find more common ground than areas of difference henceforth. We will always welcome the views and opinions of our Alliance partners on the progress we are making in meeting the mandate of our people.<br /><br />In celebrating the 96th anniversary, we assure all sectors of our society that the ANC remains strong. It lives, it leads.<br /><br />We are determined to ensure that we work in a manner that strengthens the confidence of all our people in the ANC as the leader and organ of transformation in our country. People need to look at this organisation and view it as one that should guide them on a day to day basis and support them in all spheres of life - be it political, social, economic or cultural.<br /><br />We also look forward to strengthening even further, the fraternal ties with like-minded organisations in the continent, particularly in SADC, and the rest of the developing world. The ANC should continue to be a beacon of hope, and an active actor in the regeneration and rebuilding of our continent - fighting poverty, underdevelopment and general deprivation.<br /><br />Bringing the ANC to the centre stage of all aspects of life in our country will be among our first tasks as we begin this New Year. It must occupy our attention during 2008, and in the remaining years before our centenary.<br /><br />There is not one among us who is exempt from this responsibility. If we are to achieve what conference has demanded of us, we will each have to do everything in our power to ensure that the precious torch we now carry is indeed passed on to the next generation undiminished.<br /><br />Let black, green and gold fly all over our beloved country as we celebrate 96 strong fighting and building years!<br /><br />Jacob G ZumaThe Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-50130171127646407352007-11-14T07:49:00.001-08:002007-11-14T07:49:50.577-08:00PETITION TO SADC FROM ZIMBABWEANS IN THE DIASPORA!<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 1in; TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:group id=_x0000_s1026 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FORUM<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></H1> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ZIMBABWE</SPAN></B></st1:country-region></st1:place><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> DIASPORA DEVELOPMENT CHAMBER<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>GLOBAL <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">ZIMBABWE</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>The Zimbabwe Diaspora Civil Societies Forum sent a petition to SADC to countries, and through the SADC secretariat in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Botswana</st1:country-region>, requesting SADC countries as a collective, for each SADC country to grant Temporary residences permits to undocumented displaced Zimbabweans in their territories, until the political crisis in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region></st1:place> is resolved.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Over 60% of Zimbabweans displaced as a result of political and economic meltdown in their country are undocumented and have no status.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are subjected to chronic arrests, detention, deportations and unprecedented humiliation within all these SADC countries.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are deported back to a hegemonic dictatorship which has consistently committed human rights abuses on its citizens amid hunger and joblessness.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>The Forum await to hear from SADC, who are so far quiet, while people are suffering.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>The Forum says we are not Jews in <st1:City w:st="on">Mecca</st1:City>, but SADC citizens in SADC, and Africans in <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place>.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We appreciate the negotiations, but there are no goals beyond the interests of political parties at contest.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The Diaspora is lumped under MDC, the reason being the terms of reference structured by<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>SADC and that during <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region></st1:place>'s CODESA civil societies were included under the ANC.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are thousands of good Zimbabweans in the Diaspora, who are here because of situations beyond their control, and not because they subscribe to the MDC.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This lumping is not desirable.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The SADC communiqué for SADC ministers of finance to work out an economic package for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region> is merely to close the meeting.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The cue comes from <st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region> minister of Finance, who said the options for <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region> were spelt to them, and is up to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We cannot see SADC raising a minimum of US$10 billion required for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region> to move out of recession.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>None of these initiatives are mobilizing or involving the totality of the citizens or the Diaspora in particular. The core issue of a President controlling an un-audited budget used to pay salaries of thousands of political executioners and vigilantes in the rural and urban areas is neither affected by the negotiations nor authorized by the current constitution. On this approach these initiatives fall short and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region></st1:place> will remain in limbo.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>The petition is our humble approach to SADC. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In return the Diaspora will provide financial assistance to all permit holders so that they engage in viable economic activities and provide a platform for the development of <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region> as well as raising billions, over time,<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>to finance reconstruction of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region></st1:place>.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The Forum wants to be involved in the process of documentation to reduce costs. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>However should SADC ignore or refuse our request, our last option is to approach an international court of justice with all the evidence of human rights atrocities and abuse of Zimbabweans in SADC.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>Contact <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><A href="http://www.zimcsoforum.org/"><FONT size=3>www.zimcsoforum.org</FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>Daniel Molokele +27 72 947 4815<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>Luke<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Zunga<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>+27 83 528 1561<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR><BR><div> </div><p>  <hr size=1> Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. <a href="http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU">Try it now</a>.The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-30711915663912005072007-10-19T06:29:00.000-07:002007-10-19T06:32:23.870-07:00The Africa-EU summit must go ahead!!!<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyxwrdDFGx1ak2OcA9bBke3RZd-xmrHsHBFfzL77K5mdlW485Hzx4THwVS9d_OqA248NYxqHq3kRLMoG9GSxFqPve0kPkChecBZPvc6cc-Gvit_P8fGqnkipAaMCUtkDvpTYdSjqIfL4g/s1600-h/anctoday.gif"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyxwrdDFGx1ak2OcA9bBke3RZd-xmrHsHBFfzL77K5mdlW485Hzx4THwVS9d_OqA248NYxqHq3kRLMoG9GSxFqPve0kPkChecBZPvc6cc-Gvit_P8fGqnkipAaMCUtkDvpTYdSjqIfL4g/s320/anctoday.gif" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5123039944515964306" /></a><br /><br /><br />AFRICA-EUROPE RELATIONS<br /><br /><a href="http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/anctoday/2007/at41.htm#art1">LINK!!!</a><br /><br /><br /><br />In an article in the British newspaper, 'The Independent', on 20 September 2007, UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown wrote: "It is also right that I make clear my position on the forthcoming EU-Africa Summit. I want this summit -under the leadership of [Portugal's] Prime Minister Socrates - to be a real success. It is a serious opportunity to forge a stronger partnership between the EU and Africa in order to fight poverty, tackle climate change, and agree new initiatives on education, health and peacekeeping...<br /><br />"I believe that President Mugabe's presence would undermine the Summit, diverting attention from the important issues that need to be resolved. In those circumstances, my attendance would not be appropriate."<br /><br />The EU-Africa Summit will be held in Lisbon, Portugal in December, the first having been held in Cairo in 2000. Except for the UK, the member states of the African Union and the European Union are, as far as I could establish, of one mind that all member states of both Unions should attend the Summit.<br /><br />A shared concern<br /><br />Africa has rightly insisted that all countries have a right freely to constitute their delegations. Except for the UK, the EU has accepted this. The UK is demanding that the EU should instruct Zimbabwe to exclude President Mugabe from its delegation, arguing among other things, that he is under an EU travel ban.<br /><br />The British government claims it has taken these and other positions on Zimbabwe because it is concerned about the situation in Zimbabwe and the role of the Zimbabwe government.<br /><br />Yet, all the other governments that will attend the EU-Africa Summit are equally concerned about the situation in Zimbabwe.<br /><br />Because of this concern, after many years of continuous engagement with the leaders of Zimbabwe, in March this year the Southern African Development Community (SADC) took two important decisions. One of these was that President Thabo Mbeki should facilitate a dialogue between the government and ruling party of Zimbabwe and the opposition to arrive at an agreement that would address Zimbabwe's political challenges.<br /><br />During the recent visit of German Chancellor Angela Merkel to our country, President Mbeki reported publicly that the negotiations were proceeding well and would soon be concluded successfully. Everybody, including the British, knows that already, as a result of an agreement arrived at during the dialogue facilitated under the direction of our President, the Zimbabwe ruling party, ZANU PF, and the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) groups jointly sponsored a constitutional amendment in the Zimbabwe parliament.<br /><br />The second decision taken by SADC was that the community's executive secretary should undertake a review of the Zimbabwe economy and make proposals about what the community should do to assist the economic recovery of Zimbabwe. Having concluded his work, the SADC Finance Ministers are now seized with the task of working out a practical programme of action.<br /><br />The simple truth, therefore, is that SADC, with the full support of the AU, is not only concerned about the situation in Zimbabwe. It is acting on this concern, with the full support and cooperation of the government, the ruling party and the opposition political formations of Zimbabwe.<br /><br />Clearly the British government believes all this means nothing. It is suggesting that it is morally superior to everybody else in the EU and the AU. The question to ask is whence this extraordinary sense of superiority.<br /><br />Regime change<br /><br />Perhaps the answer lies in an editorial in the British periodical, 'The Economist', of 5 July 2007 headed "The virtues of isolationism".<br /><br />It said: "In a blistering attack on Mr Mugabe's rule, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Bulawayo, Pius Ncube, said that the state of the country was now so bad that foreign governments (particularly Britain's) should intervene to 'remove' Mr Mugabe from power... Mr Ncube's appeal to the West to remove Mr Mugabe should be taken as a cry of pain, not a reason for the West to invade... it is only the Africans, and particularly the southern Africans, who can apply the strong pressure needed to get rid of him quickly.<br /><br />"Yet the Portuguese do now have a way to give the African Union a much-needed jolt. <br />They should refuse to let Mr Mugabe come to Lisbon. That will force Africa's leaders to reconsider their priorities. If that stops the summit from taking place, so be it: <br />a firm stand would send a powerful message of solidarity to all those in Zimbabwe who long to be rescued from their plight. Welcoming their tormentor to Lisbon for the sake of a jamboree would be a corresponding disgrace."<br /><br />It is regime change and nothing else. The demand is made in clear language -Southern Africa must carry out this task. The question that needs to be asked is whether this demand reflects the views of the British government.<br /><br />As a movement, the ANC has always assumed the British Labour Party was anti-colonial and a principled defender of the right of all nations to self-determination. In the post-war years these positions were eminently represented by the Labour Party MP, Fenner Brockway.<br /><br />Another historical fact, manifested over many decades, is that in our region the British governments have consistently appeased the racist white minorities, and refused to align themselves with the African majorities, honestly responding to their legitimate demands.<br /><br />In 1910 the British government betrayed our people by handing power in our country to the white minority. The British Labour Party followed this route with regard to Zimbabwe when, as the governing party on 11 November 1965, it refused to suppress the Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI) rebellion of the white minority against the British Crown, led by Ian Smith.<br /><br />Addressing the British House of Commons on 11 November 1965, Prime Minister Wilson<br />said: "I repeat that the British Government condemns the purported (unilateral) declaration of independence (UDI) by the former Government of Rhodesia as an illegal act and one which is ineffective in law. It is an act of rebellion against the Crown and against the Constitution as by law established, and actions taken to give effect to it will be treasonable...<br /><br />"We did not seek this challenge. The House will concede that we did everything in our power to avoid it, but now it has been made, then, with whatever sadness, we shall face this challenge with resolution and determination. Whatever measures the Government, with the support of this House, judge are needed to restore Rhodesia to the rule of law, to allegiance to the Crown, these measures will be taken."<br /><br />The measures the British government took to respond to what Prime Minister Wilson characterised as rebellion and treason did not include any demand or action to achieve regime change. On the same day, the British newspaper, 'The Guardian', said: <br />"The sanctions announced (by the Wilson government) are inadequate for the job they have to do - to break the Rhodesian Government."<br /><br />The Labour government, led by Prime Minister Harold Wilson, did not call for regime change.<br /><br />The change of regime, the "breaking" of the Rhodesian Government, was brought about by the struggle of the oppressed masses of Zimbabwe, led by their liberation movement, during which thousands of African lives were lost. Similarly, regime change in our own country, to reverse the British betrayal of 1910, came about because of the protracted struggle of our own people, led by our liberation movement, again at great cost in African lives.<br /><br />The costly victory of the Zimbabwe liberation struggle gave the British government the possibility to resume its responsibility as the colonial power charged with handing over power to the people of Zimbabwe, as it had done in all its colonies in the Caribbean, Asia and Africa, except South Africa.<br /><br />A promise betrayed<br /><br />Charged to preside over the 1979 Lancaster House negotiations to decide the future of the Zimbabwe, the British government still tried everything it could to protect the interests of the same white minority in Zimbabwe whose actions it had denounced in<br />1965 as illegal, rebellious and treasonable.<br /><br />As a result of these efforts, for 10 years after independence, liberated Zimbabwe was prohibited from acting in a decisive manner to change the pattern of land ownership born of the colonial land dispossession of the indigenous majority, in favour of the white minority.<br /><br />This was because the British government recognised the centrality of the land question to the colonisation of Zimbabwe, white minority interests, and therefore the liberation struggle.<br /><br />To balance its insistence that the right of its kith and kin to hold on to the land that had been acquired by force had to be respected for 10 years, the British government, supported by its US counterpart, undertook to provide the government of Zimbabwe with substantial financial resources to acquire land to address the land question, insisting that this should be done on the basis of the "willing seller, willing buyer principle".<br /><br />After a long period of negotiations with the British Conservative Party government, led by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, her successor, Prime Minister John Major, finally agreed that the British government would honour the undertakings made during the Lancaster House negotiations, in the same way as the Zimbabwe government had respected its commitments in this regard.<br /><br />However, the British Labour Party took power in 1997, inflicting a humiliating electoral defeat on the Conservative Party. It has remained in power ever since. As a successor government, and contrary to international convention and the rule of law, it unilaterally repudiated the undertakings made by the John Major government on the land question in Zimbabwe.<br /><br />To add insult to injury, it arrogantly asserted its right to impose what amounted to a neo-colonial diktat on the government of Zimbabwe. All this was reflected in the infamous 5 November 1997 letter written by the then British Minister for International Development, Claire Short, to Kumbirai Kangai, the then Zimbabwe Minster of Agriculture and Land. She wrote:<br /><br />"I should make it clear that we do not accept that Britain has a special responsibility to meet the costs of land purchase in Zimbabwe. We are a new Government from diverse backgrounds without links to former colonial interests. My own origins are Irish and as you know we were colonised not colonisers...<br /><br />"Again, I am told there were discussions in 1989 and 1996 to explore the possibility of further assistance. However that is all in the past. If we look to the present, a number of specific issues are unresolved, including the way in which land would be acquired and compensation paid - clearly it would not help the poor of Zimbabwe if it was done in a way which undermined investor confidence... It follows from this that a programme of rapid land acquisition as you now seem to envisage would be impossible for us to support."<br /><br />This position stands at the heart both of what has happened in Zimbabwe since this letter was written, and the positions the British government is taking today on the forthcoming EU-Africa Summit.<br /><br />To right a wrong - miserable advice<br /><br />Many things have gone wrong in Zimbabwe over the years. Our movement, the ANC, has engaged both ZANU PF and the MDC on these matters continuously, honestly and frankly, over many years.<br /><br />We know that the South African government, led by the ANC, has done the same, including initiating serious dialogue with the British and other governments, seeking to assist in finding solutions to all the problems affecting Zimbabwe, in the interest of its people.<br /><br />We have avoided detailing our efforts in public, because we were convinced, as we continue to be, that this would facilitate the speedy resolution of the problems confronting the sister people of our immediate neighbour, Zimbabwe.<br /><br />We have done so deliberately, understanding that it is more important to work, practically, for the resolution of the challenges in Zimbabwe than to engage in fruitless and self-serving rhetoric as many others have done.<br /><br />These, by contrast, have presented themselves as the true friends of the people of Zimbabwe. This has led to the situation where the British government makes bold to present itself as being superior to everybody else in Southern Africa, Africa and the EU.<br /><br />On 7 April 2002, the British 'Observer' published extracts from a paper written by Robert Cooper and published by the Foreign Policy Centre (FPC) entitled "The post-modern state". Cooper contributed his paper to a publication of the FPC focusing on the topic, "Reordering the World: the long term implications of September 11."<br /><br />'The Observer' described Cooper as "Tony Blair's foreign policy guru". The FPC said: <br />"Senior British diplomat Robert Cooper has helped to shape British Prime Minister Tony Blair's calls for a new internationalism and a new doctrine of humanitarian intervention which would place limits on state sovereignty."<br /><br />Among other things, Cooper argued that the collapse of imperialism and colonialism has resulted in global chaos, including the emergence and survival of 'failed states'. To respond to this, he said:<br /><br />"The most logical way to deal with chaos, and the one employed most often in the past, is colonisation. But this is unacceptable to postmodern states. Empire and imperialism are words that have become a form of abuse and no colonial powers are willing to take on the job, though the opportunities -perhaps even the need - for colonisation is as great as it ever was in the nineteenth century. Those left out of the global economy risk falling into a vicious circle. Weak government means disorder and that means falling investment.<br /><br />"AII the conditions for imperialism are there, but both the supply and demand for imperialism have dried up. And yet a world in which the efficient and well-governed export stability and liberty seems eminently desirable.<br /><br />"What is needed is a new kind of imperialism, one compatible with human rights and cosmopolitan values: an imperialism which aims to bring order and organisation but which rests today on the voluntary principle."<br /><br />An AU-EU partnership<br /><br />We do not know whether these unapologetically backward and reactionary ideas inform the approach of the British government towards Zimbabwe, but they are consistent with what Claire Short said in her letter to Kumbirai Kangai.<br /><br />The EU-Africa Summit, long delayed by the British insistence that President Mugabe should be excluded, should go ahead as planned. It must attend seriously to the important issues that are of fundamental concern to Africa and the EU, rather than allow itself to be imprisoned and paralysed by dangerous and destructive neo-colonialist ambitions.<br /><br />In a 2007 document, the EU commits itself to a strategy that "proposes forging a strategic security and development partnership between the EU and Africa. The strategy focuses on key requirements for sustainable development such as peace and security, good and effective governance, trade, interconnectivity, social cohesion and environmental sustainability. New initiatives have been launched, most notably a governance initiative and a Euro-African Partnership for Infrastructure, which was launched in July 2006.<br /><br />"Under the Governance Initiative, the EU will, for instance, provide support for reforms triggered by the African Peer Review Mechanism (APRM), a unique tool for peer review and peer learning in good democratic governance by and for Africans. And in the context of the Partnership for Infrastructure, the EU will support programmes that facilitate interconnectivity at continental level to promote regional trade, integration, stability and development."<br /><br />These are some of the matters that should be discussed during the December EU-Africa Summit. Others must include comprehensive EU support for NEPAD, the strengthening of the AU, sustained resource transfers to Africa to help us to meet the Millennium Development Goals and sustained development to defeat poverty and underdevelopment, and genuine respect for the independence and sovereign voice of the peoples of Africa.<br /><br />Japan, China and India are engaged in dialogue with Africa to help us, themselves, and all humanity to address the "special needs" of Africa that were recognised in the unanimously adopted UN Millennium Declaration of 2000.<br /><br />It would be very good if all member states of the EU go to Lisbon in December to follow this example, and enter into dialogue with Africa on all issues that Africa and the EU place on the common agenda. If some countries decide to absent themselves from this critically important dialogue, to, feed their celebration of their holiness, regrettable as it is, we surely have the liberty to repeat what 'The Economist' said - so be it.<br /><br />** Kgalema Motlanthe is Secretary General of the ANC.The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-65580462717912206432007-09-25T23:59:00.000-07:002007-09-26T00:03:29.298-07:00TUTU ATTACKS MUGABE'S "APARTHEID-TYPE" MISRULE!<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzRoePvcWrNGfwBxP6fqFmfWppcvHWgyIz-QyXbsXXDyXnJW8W8PbM0aFm1rj3DyHlTHu8j8JraiY6wkWtHunlxqhZUrFPgwrIma_Z0juJ_GwUnsmxdVVUmE0rrjLM6Wdc59Z6lZZpH74/s1600-h/desmond_tutu.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzRoePvcWrNGfwBxP6fqFmfWppcvHWgyIz-QyXbsXXDyXnJW8W8PbM0aFm1rj3DyHlTHu8j8JraiY6wkWtHunlxqhZUrFPgwrIma_Z0juJ_GwUnsmxdVVUmE0rrjLM6Wdc59Z6lZZpH74/s320/desmond_tutu.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5114404623872203106" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3006161">"LINK 1"</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.nehandaradio.com/tutu260907.html">"LINK 2"</a><br /><br />26 September 2007<br /><br />JOHANNESBURG (AFP) — South Africa's Nobel peace laureate Desmond Tutu on Tuesday launched a new attack on the authorities in Zimbabwe, saying their treatment of dissidents was reminiscent of the apartheid regime.<br /><br />"The stories we are hearing of the harassment of political opponents, detentions without trial, torture and the denial of medical attention are reminiscent of our experiences at the hands of apartheid police," said Tutu, who was a leader of the struggle against South Africa's whites-only rule.<br /><br />The former archbishop of Cape Town refrained from commenting on how the crisis could have been mitigated by more efficient management, saying it was "a matter for debate by people better-qualified than me."<br /><br />"There is no debate, however, when it comes to the perpetration of human rights violations, reports of which, according to churches and NGOs, are on the increase."<br /><br />Tutu has long been an outspoken critic of Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe, once calling him a "caricature of an African dictator".<br /><br />Mugabe, who has been the ruler of Zimbabwe since independence in 1980, has in turn called Tutu "an evil little bishop".The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-64412446996046789102007-08-31T07:25:00.001-07:002007-08-31T07:26:03.262-07:00President Thabo Mbeki and the Zim "Regime Change" Agenda!<DIV class="widget Text" id=Text2> <H2 class=title> </H2> <DIV class=widget-content><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff">Mr Thabo Mbeki is fast getting to a stage where he will be forced to recuse himself from the Zim Situation!<BR></SPAN></EM><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff"> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff0000">What is "regime change", Cde President?</SPAN> </SPAN></EM><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff">When the late President Kamuzu Banda was throwing his "enemies" into crocodile-infested rivers, was it "regime change " when Political Parties where formed to try and oust him? </SPAN></EM><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff0000">When Democrats in Swaziland are trying to be heard about their plight at the hands of the young Dictator-King, are they involved in "regime change?"</SPAN></EM><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff">When is "regime change" correct and when is it wrong?<BR></SPAN></EM><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff"> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff0000">If Mugabe is a Dictator and Mass Murderer, are the people engaged in "regime change" when they peacefully try to remove him?</SPAN> </SPAN></EM><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff">So for Africa, should we not try remove any Dictator, lest we be accused by the likes of you, Your Excellency, to be accomplices in "regime change?"</SPAN></EM><BR><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff"> <BLOCKQUOTE><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff"></SPAN></EM></BLOCKQUOTE>NO, BELOVED CDE PRESIDENT: PLEASE ASK HARARE TO SEND YOU A MORE CREDIBLE ARGUMENT. </SPAN></EM><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff">Rev M S Hove. Cell: 0791463039 </SPAN></EM><A href="mailto:mufarostig@yahoo.co.uk"><EM><SPAN style="COLOR: #3333ff">mufarostig@yahoo.co.uk</SPAN></EM></A><BR></DIV> <DIV class=clear></DIV><SPAN class=widget-item-control><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin"><A class=quickedit title=Edit onclick='return _WidgetManager._PopupConfig(document.getElementById("Text2"));' href="http://www.blogger.com/rearrange?blogID=7158268886548799494&widgetType=Text&widgetId=Text2&action=editWidget" target=configText2><FONT color=#6131bd><SPAN class=quick-edit-icon> </SPAN> </FONT></A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class=clear></DIV></DIV><BR><BR><div> </div><p> The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-49113527082910922892007-08-27T22:11:00.000-07:002007-08-27T22:12:01.749-07:00THE MBEKI AND SADC POSITION A LOAD OF IRRESPONSIBLE RUBBISH!<H1 style="DISPLAY: block"><FONT size=3><BR> <DIV class="post-body entry-content"> <div><A href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjIK85igS0SGDZ2FHVIKoCQ-p8Edj99czMruPqWdqD35wd-s13KcQNCCs828ar0BK4kti1aAu6ES173acfZ1RzPTJ3_Wq6JSX2LHFcuO8qP4JSEk4BXaoLoFrYM2BzpjO2GXT2jkfVcdoQ/s1600-h/carrying+Mugabe.png"></A><BR> <DIV>Well, Mr Thabo Mbeki, The State President of South Africa has issued a lengthy statement <A href="http://dearmrthabombeki.blogspot.com/2007/08/letter-from-pres-mbeki-reffering-to.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#cc0000>(LINK)</FONT></A> where he has shown the whole world where he and SADC stand as far as the Zimbabwean Crisis is concerned.<BR><BR>Firstly, that the Elections were heavily rigged (<A href="http://zimgossiper.blogspot.com/2007/04/full-submission-on-rigging-of-zim.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#2d8930>LINK!!!</FONT></A>) is not an issue at all!<BR><BR>Secondly, that thousands of MDC members were physically assasulted and hundreds others murdered by State Agents(<A href="http://tsvangirai.blogspot.com/2007/04/full-story-of-mdc.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#cc0000>LINK!!!</FONT></A>) is similarly not an issue at all! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Refer also(<A href="http://chinja.blogspot.com/2006/10/happy-birthday-mdc.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#cc0000>LINK!!!</FONT></A>)<BR><BR>Thirdly, the fact that Robert Mugabe and ZANU-PF were discarded by the Electorate BEFORE (NB BEFORE) the Infamous Land Invasions is not a material matter at all to Mbeki and SADC!<BR><BR>Fourthly, the fact that Mr Mugabe has presided over the very ZANU-PF for over 27 years without allowing the very ZANU-PF a chance to elect or re-elect him by the democratic Secret Ballot is completely irrelevant to Mr Thabo Mbeki and the various SADC "Excellencies."<BR><BR>Fifthly, the fact that Mugabe was clearly rejected by the Electorate in the controversial 2002 Presidential Election is not part of substance as far as Thabo Mbeki and SADC are concerned!<BR><BR>Knowing Mr Mugabe as we do, he would have excitedly gone through Tsvangirai's Election Petitions without any delay if he was sure he had won them by any margin!<BR><BR>His only statement at the moment is: "That Election Petition is 'frivolous' and 'vexatious'." What exactly does that mean???<BR><BR>We who were part of the rigging machinery know why and how those Elections were rigged!<BR><BR>I, Rev Mufaro Stig Hove, can give a delailed report of how WE (repeat) WE rigged those Elections.<BR><BR>This brings us to the question of the way forward as far as the Zimbabwean crisis is concerned.<BR><BR>Of major concern is for the "Opposition Forces" to clearly define themselves.<BR><BR>1. What exactly is it that they are opposing? They desperatelt need to clearly define their "bottom line."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it Robert Mugabe as a person meaning therefore that he must go at all costs regardless of the hurdles that continue to mount including the clear message from Thabo Mbeki and SADC? Please make that absolutely clear so that we who have vowed to support the Democratic Forces can see how we can go forward in support.<BR><BR>2.Can there be some National Vision which accommodates ZANU-PF and Robert Mugabe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I, personally, know that Robert Mugabe's very survival depends on his remaining in that Office (even illegitimately as he is doing at the moment.)<BR><BR>So he has intelligently intertwined his fate with that of millions to completely confuse the original issues.<BR><BR>Some of us need to hear what the general position of the Democratic Forces is.<BR><BR>The whole nation is on its kneesat this very momentas we pursue our various "Quiet Diplomacies" etc!<BR><BR>I shouldn't describe the situation on the ground because any serious person knows that there is no economy to talk about in Zimbabwe at the moment!<BR><BR>The talk by President Mwanawasa that the problems of Zimbabwe are being exaggerated must be swiftly dismissed as coming from a timid lunatic who cannot stand and defend his earlier statement that Zimbabwe was a sinking Titanic!<BR><BR>Mbeki's hope that SADC on its own can rescue Zimbabwe is irresponsible rubbish!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Utter deliberate rubbish!<BR><BR>Even mighty South Africa can never close all outside doors and depend on its SADC neighbours only! Why does Mbeki not try it for his country just today??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mbeki thinks their position as SADC is the only "Revolutionary and African" position and all others are mere "sell-outs" etc.<BR><BR>The heavy challenge on the shoulders of the Decratic Forces is to clearly and swiftly dissociate themselves from that dangerous perpective (of being viewed as 'sell-outs'.).<BR><BR>Of course its said 'Politics is a dirty game' but never ever relax when powerful leaders join the despicably evil Robert Mugabe in propagating that stinking propaganda.<BR><BR>The tragedy of the Democratic Forces is that they do not seek the help of serious patriots to assist in the "clearing of the air" as far as their position is concerned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lets identify each other and close ranks as true patriots and complement each other's efforts to counter the heavy Propaganda of Mugabe now joined clearly by Mbeki and Company! <BR><BR>The Democratic Forces have continued doing a pilgrimage to a clear crook called Thabo Mbeki!<BR><BR>What does Mbeki not know about the evils of Robert Mugabe? Refer to my article "Thabo Mbeki's proverbial long rope!"<A href="http://dearmrthabombeki.blogspot.com/2007/07/thabo-mbeki-s-proverbial-long-rope.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#cc0000> LINK!!!</FONT></A><BR><BR>Mbeki wants us to believe that South Africa will not play the "big brother" yet he completely ignores the cries of the very Zimbabweans when they describe issues that are not related to the land issue! Mbeki pretends to pursue a "Policy of Quiet Diplomacy" yet we who see through the mist see him actively supporting the rejected demagogue.<BR><BR>When did Zimbabweans start complaining about Mugabe encouraging "corruption" among his "chosen few"? Long before Mugabe's decision to pursue the "rectification of the Historical Land Imbalances."<BR><BR>Please kindly read my APPEAL TO ALL JOURNALISTS AND WRITERS! <A href="http://radicalzim.blogspot.com/2007/08/appeal-to-all-journalists-and-writers.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#cc0000>LINK!</FONT></A>.<BR><BR>I swear by the Living God that if Mugabe gets the proverbial "last laugh", Tsvangirai etc will spend their lives in exile until that 83 year old demagogue passes away! Wake up Tsvangirai and Company! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't be naive! <BR><BR>But the consolation is that there is no serious investor that can take any investment to Zimbabwe while Mugabe is anywhere near the corridors of power!<BR><BR>Thabo Mbeki is a depicable crook if he wants us to think that there is an investor (except himself, perhaps) who can take anything to Zimbabwe even if Mugabe won a "free and fair" Election next year.<BR><BR>Even if Tsvangirai went round seeking the world to support the new Mugabe Regime (if there is one in 2008), no sane investor would go to Zimbabwe with investment.<BR><BR>The real tragedy of Zimbabwe is that Robert Mugabe will cling to power at all costs and all black leaders will have to support him or else risk being labelled "sell-outs."<BR><BR>So Thabo and Company think they will label us "sell-outs" and it will stick?<BR><BR>No, you are mentally unwell Thabo son of Govan!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you think sending "millions of rands" to Mugabe is a permanent solution to the Zim crisis, then lunacy is your misguided position.<BR><BR>You will stand by Robert Mugabe through "thick and thin" and that's your decision!<BR><BR>But you will go down in History as having blundered using SA tax-payers' funds to prop up a despicably evil dictator that we, the humble people of Zimbabwe were trying at all costs to remove.<BR><BR>Do you honestly think that I, Rev Mufaro Stig Hove, a black man would refuse 3000 heactres of free prepared land and a farmhouse etc.?<BR><BR>Would I refuse to be part of ZANU-PF and get all the benefits eg businesses seized from white owners etc.?<BR><BR>So am I a "sell-out" because I say Mugabe has assassinated all his contemporaries since before Independence? <BR><BR>Am I a "sell-out" because I say Mugabe, Munangagwa etc got unfair benefit from the mineral resources in the DRC?<BR><BR>Am I a "sell-out" because I say Mugabe is a dictator who has never allowed even a simple secret ballot even in the private Politburo Meetings?<BR><BR>Mr Mbeki do you not know or you do not want to know?<BR><BR>Even if the Economy of Zimbabwe were returned to a "zero" inflation and there was prosperity such that there is a 100% employment etc., the truth is that Robert Mugabe is still an evil Devil that must go (and you Mr Thabo Mbeki know it very well as well.)<BR><BR>WHO ARE YOU FOOLING? <BR><BR>WHO IS FOOLING-A WHO???<BR><BR>TIME WILL TELL!<BR><BR>Lets keep in touch CDE President.<BR><BR>Yours in the true struggle for a Free Zimbabwe, <BR><BR>Mufaro Stig Hove.....Rev.<BR><BR>(mufarostig@yahoo.co.uk)<BR><BR>Cell: 0791463039 RSA.<BR></DIV></DIV></FONT></H1><BR><BR><div> </div><p>  <hr size=1> Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. <a href="http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU">Try it now</a>.The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-54373996818387211772007-08-24T07:47:00.000-07:002007-08-24T07:50:21.469-07:00LETTER FROM PRES MBEKI REFFERING TO THE LUSAKA SADC MEETING!<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fuvTXxQxEmA/Rs7wBNTtPnI/AAAAAAAAApQ/mlhPQGXKzxY/s1600-h/mbeki+amandla.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fuvTXxQxEmA/Rs7wBNTtPnI/AAAAAAAAApQ/mlhPQGXKzxY/s400/mbeki+amandla.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5102279331400203890" /></a><br />LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT<br /><br /><a href="http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/anctoday/2007/at33.htm">LINK!!!!</a><br /><br />SADC returns to Lusaka<br /><br />On August 16-17, the Southern African Development Community (SADC), which incorporates 14 (and potentially 15) countries, held its 27th Ordinary Summit Meeting of Heads of State and Government in Lusaka, Zambia. To emphasise its importance, the Summit Meeting was attended by all the SADC Heads of State and Government.<br /><br />(Seychelles, a member of SADC for many years, was not represented because of a continuing discussion about the membership dues it must pay. The Lusaka Summit, fully sympathetic to the concerns of Seychelles, expressed its determination to do everything possible to ensure that this island-state, geographically and otherwise part of Southern Africa, resumes its rightful place as a fully-fledged Member of the Development Community.)<br /><br />The SADC Brigade<br /><br />Undoubtedly, one of the high points of the Summit Meeting was the launch of the SADC Regional Peace-keeping Brigade. This military-police-civilian brigade is made up of personnel drawn from 11 of the member states of SADC. It has been constituted to respond to the challenges of peace, security and stability that face our region.<br /><br />At the same time, it constitutes a component part of the African Union (AU) Standby Force which Africa is forming to ensure that it has the organised and multi-skilled force to enable it to respond expeditiously to all situations of conflict on our Continent. Thus the launch of the SADC Peace-keeping Brigade represented, in concrete terms, the resolve of our region and continent to rely on its resources effectively to ensure peace and security throughout Africa.<br /><br />It was indeed very moving to see the 11 mixed formations, each behind its national flag for purposes of identification, assembled on the parade grounds at the Lusaka City Airport. Nobody present at the launch ceremony could have avoided being moved by the fact that despite the variety of the national flags that led and identified the various formations, all the members of the Brigade marched and drilled with great precision, responding to the commands of one Commanding Officer.<br /><br />Clearly, here, at the Lusaka City Airport, the combined political leaders of our region were presented with a palpable example of the readiness of our region of Southern Africa to act together, to promote African unity, to bind all countries of our region to the cause of peace, to guarantee peace, security and stability on our Continent, and to create the necessary conditions for the defeat of poverty and underdevelopment in Africa.<br /><br />For us, as South Africans, the ceremony to launch the SADC Brigade had a special significance. We were very happy and proud to see members of our National Defence Force and our Police Service parade together with their comrades from the rest of our region. We felt immensely proud when Colonel Botman, of the SANDF, was called upon to assume the position of the bearer of the flag of the Brigade on the very day that the SADC Brigade was born.<br /><br />Armed and peaceful<br /><br />In earlier years, the apartheid armed forces, organised in the SADF, had brought death and destruction throughout our region. They had acted as an instrument of destabilisation, destruction, subversion and regime change in the service of the apartheid regime. Their presence, operations and incursions into virtually all the SADC countries had brought death, suffering and misery to thousands of people throughout our region.<br /><br />Undoubtedly, among the officers from the rest of our region present on the parade ground at Lusaka City Airport, were nationals of various countries who had had to take up arms to defend the independence of their countries, which was under armed attack by forces of aggression that falsely claimed to represent our interests as South Africans.<br /><br />At the same time, there were officers from the rest of our region who had worked with the commanders and cadres of Umkhonto we Sizwe, and the rest of our movement, out of the public eye even in their own countries, to contribute to the intensification of the struggle to defeat the apartheid crime against humanity. They did this knowing that inevitably, the apartheid regime, with a benign nod from the major Western capitals, would carry out terrorist acts in their countries, targeting both unarmed members and supporters of our movement, and the civilians of our host countries.<br /><br />Recalling all these painful circumstances, during which the apartheid regime supported the LLA in Lesotho, Super-ZAPU in Zimbabwe, RENAMO in Moçambique, and UNITA in Angola, and various political formations, we could not but be moved to tears by the concrete representation of the fact that democratic South Africa has dedicated all our military capabilities to the cause of peace, friendship, solidarity and development in our region and Continent.<br /><br />We were moved that men and women of the military, police and associated civilian forces from our region, and their political leaders, openly and unreservedly expressed confidence in our security forces as reliable partners in the common struggle to consolidate our region as an African perimeter of peace, democracy and development.<br /><br />As President Levy Mwanawasa of Zambia said at the opening session of the SADC Summit Meeting, it was indeed an important matter of note that SADC was meeting in Lusaka for the first time since its formation in the same city in 1980 as the SADCC. As was correctly observed, this was only possible because since 1980, following the independence of Zimbabwe, both Namibia and South Africa had been liberated, ending the long period of colonialism and white minority rule on our Continent.<br /><br />Regional solidarity<br /><br />This statement was significant not only as a celebration of victory, but also as a signal of what Southern Africa must do to accelerate its advance towards the eradication of poverty and underdevelopment throughout our region, in the interest of the masses of the people of our region, who had carried the burden of the struggle finally to end colonialism and apartheid in Africa and the world.<br /><br />Accordingly and correctly, the Lusaka Summit Meeting focused on the urgent task to transform the economies of our region, to ensure that as an integrated whole, they meet the aspirations of the masses of the people of Southern Africa.<br /><br />In this regard, the Lusaka Summit Meeting was exposed to what can be done. President Bingu wa Mutharika announced that Malawi would donate 5 000 metric tons of maize each to Lesotho and Swaziland, in the light of their food shortages, caused by drought. <br />President Mwanawasa also announced that Zambia had donated 10 000 metric tons of maize to the World Food Programme (WFP) to be made available to any SADC country in need.<br /><br />The Zimbabwe economy<br /><br />The Summit Meeting also approved the urgent initiation of a process that would identify the measures that the SADC region should take to assist in the economic recovery of Zimbabwe. The report prepared by the SADC Secretariat in this regard<br />says:<br /><br />"The restoration of the country's foreign exchange generating capacity through Balance of Payments support is crucial: however, the most urgent action that is needed to start this process is to establish lines of credit to enable Zimbabwe to import inputs for its productive sectors, particularly for agriculture and foreign currency generating sectors.<br /><br />"SADC should do all it can to help Zimbabwe address the issue of sanctions, which is not only hurting the economy through failure to get BoP support and lines of credit, but also through reduced markets for its products. Sanctions also damage the image of Zimbabwe, causing a severe blow to her tourist sector.<br /><br />"Zimbabwe on her part must continue to implement robust policies to reduce the overvaluation of the exchange rate, to reduce the budget deficit and to control the growth of domestic credit and money supply which fuel inflation, and to reduce price distortions in the economy. Equally important is the need to avoid frequent changes in policy initiatives, which have caused uncertainties and led to the view that the policy environment is unpredictable."<br /><br />In this regard, on Monday, August 20, the Business Day newspaper published a wholly fabricated story alleging that the SADC leaders were divided over this report, describing a discussion at the Summit Meeting that never took place. This is consistent with an unethical practice in sections of our media in terms of which they manufacture news and information and communicate complete fiction as the truth.<br /><br />The newspaper manufactured an unbridgeable "rift" resulting in a non-existent paralysis among the leaders, arising out of the discussion that never took place. The fact of the matter is that, acting on the recommendation of the SADC Organ on Politics, Defence and Security, (the Organ), the SADC Summit Meeting accepted the report on the Zimbabwe economy, as well as the proposal of the Organ that our Finance Ministers, in consultation with the Government of Zimbabwe, should use the report to elaborate specific interventions that could be made by our region.<br /><br />The hostile allegation that our countries have recklessly turned their eyes away from the problems of Zimbabwe, because of the imperatives of solidarity, has always been nothing more than a product of propaganda, which all thinking persons would recognise as such. The reality is that in a very real sense the problems of Zimbabwe are our problems, in the same way that the problems of the rest of Southern Africa are problems for Zimbabwe as well. Our entire region stands to benefit most directly from the recovery of Zimbabwe, in much the same way as Zimbabwe benefits from the progress of the region of Southern Africa, of which it is an integral and inalienable part.<br /><br />The Lusaka Summit Meeting reconfirmed these fundamental positions, which include unqualified respect for the sovereignty of Zimbabwe and the right of its people to determine their destiny. At no point will SADC and its member states act as a super-power that has the right to expropriate the people of Zimbabwe of their right to self-determination, as imperial Britain did.<br /><br />African unity & regional economic integration<br /><br />The Lusaka Summit Meeting agreed that the 2008 normal SADC Summit Meeting, which will be held in our country, will launch our regional Free Trade Area. This Summit Meeting will also discuss the decision to transform the SADC region into a Customs Union by 2010. Before then, detailed work will also be done to prepare the basis for the radical improvement of all elements of the regional infrastructure. All this indicates the serious commitment of SADC rapidly to advance the critically important objective of mutually beneficial regional integration.<br /><br />As we have reported before, the July 2007 AU Summit Meeting decided that the African Regional Economic Communities must serve as the driving force towards the political and economic unity of Africa. This important decision adds an important dimension to the historic obligation SADC has, seriously to attend to the issue of our region's integration, and its cooperation with other regions of our Continent.<br /><br />This is particularly important in the light of the fact that our region conveyed a united view at the Accra AU Summit Meeting, insisting that the only rational and possible way to proceed towards the realisation of the objective of a United States of Africa is "from the bottom up", with the RECs, such as SADC, serving as the critical building blocks of the architecture out of which will be realised the age-old continental dream of African unity.<br /><br />The 27th Ordinary Summit Meeting of SADC confirmed the determination of our region to respond to this challenge. The launch of the SADC Brigade, the first component of the African Union Standby Force, represented a practical demonstration of the commitment of the peoples of Southern Africa to help give meaning to the resolve of the peoples of Africa to take their destiny into their hands. This is confirmed by the fact that the entirety of the AU/UN "hybrid force" for Darfur, which will include SANDF and SAPS personnel, will be composed of African personnel.<br /><br />As we knew and said during the difficult years when Lusaka served as the Headquarters of the ANC, Africa will be free!<br /><br />Thabo MbekiThe Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-14700074343725618692007-07-19T23:14:00.001-07:002007-07-19T23:30:57.919-07:00MBEKI LINKED TO CHRIS HANI ASSASSINATION???<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTJBS42ByKGLV-ZwMYdERcZ3vZ3Md_Id0Yiuya6z-nX0_ib4-PoJ2aq6U6qH12IS7T1EdwNoz4CSICqASK7POiWXFB9RH11Jshwv45cJDwaCLYh5VREtjQQbE81sIE44klp8tJD7_UJnQ/s1600-h/Hani.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTJBS42ByKGLV-ZwMYdERcZ3vZ3Md_Id0Yiuya6z-nX0_ib4-PoJ2aq6U6qH12IS7T1EdwNoz4CSICqASK7POiWXFB9RH11Jshwv45cJDwaCLYh5VREtjQQbE81sIE44klp8tJD7_UJnQ/s400/Hani.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5089162763480157730" /></a><br />Presidency to study controversial documentary<br /><br />CAPE TOWN – The presidency has declined to comment on reports that a documentary on the rise to power of President Thabo Mbeki contains a suggestion he had a hand in the 1993 assassination of SA Communist Party leader Chris Hani.<br />However, it would ask for a copy of the film so the matter could be studied, presidential spokesman Mukoni Ratshitanga said on Thursday.<br />The controversial documentary, titled “Unauthorised: Thabo Mbeki”, was screened to an audience of 200 invited guests at the Mail and Guardian’s Critical Thinking Forum in Johannesburg on Wednesday evening.<br />The screening was followed by a panel discussion in which opinions were divided as to whether or not it was possible to defame a sitting president.<br />The suggestion in the 24-minute documentary, by a voice-over, that Mbeki had a hand in Hani’s assassination was the reason the SABC had not shown the film on television, the broadcaster’s content enterprise executive Mvuso Mbebe said at the event.<br />Lawyers had noted there were “serious issues” of defamation, and said the SABC editorial team had expressed reservations about the film and called for it not to be screened, Mbebe said.<br />Ratshitanga on Thursday told Sapa the presidency could not comment on the issue.<br />“These are reports based on people who have watched the documentary... Until we ourselves have watched it, we cannot make a comment,” he said.<br />For the same reason, Ratshitanga also declined to comment on whether it was possible the film defamed the president.<br />The presidency would “assess” the matter today, and request a copy of the film so it could be studied, he said. – Sapa.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=43674,1,22">LINK!!!!!!! </a><br /> <br /> Last updated <br /> 19/07/2007 18:40:55The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-48898671829179702282007-07-15T22:27:00.001-07:002007-07-16T22:14:39.167-07:00"THABO MBEKI S PROVERBIAL 'LONG ROPE'." BY THE REV M S HOVE<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieDkityxpLKWL9NKHdHIJse_kJZ4yx8P12pCSeZED0SnvCQXpkDS-K_4AGkM-DHTG24zk90qznoFx4ClHS0BM3DQp9dClYa9e-r2bkcwhhZ0vIJee9rP41gQ0_Qk_zp1zZ3IGdGgIaQIE/s1600-h/matibili+tanzania.bmp"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieDkityxpLKWL9NKHdHIJse_kJZ4yx8P12pCSeZED0SnvCQXpkDS-K_4AGkM-DHTG24zk90qznoFx4ClHS0BM3DQp9dClYa9e-r2bkcwhhZ0vIJee9rP41gQ0_Qk_zp1zZ3IGdGgIaQIE/s400/matibili+tanzania.bmp" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5087666298089983442" /></a><br /><strong>THABO MBEKI S PROVERBIAL "LONG ROPE." <br /><br /> <br /> <br />Preliminary Remarks:<br /> <br />Im very sure many of you have noticed that I haven't written anything myself for some time.<br /> <br />Of course I have written a lot so far: <a href="http://dearmrrobertmugabe.blogspot.com/2006/11/is-robert-mugabe-master-assassin.html">"IS ROBERT MUGABE THE MASTER-ASSASSIN?", </a>"<a href="http://zimgossiper.blogspot.com/2007/04/full-submission-on-rigging-of-zim.html">THE RIGGING OF ZIM ELECTIONS"</a>, <a href="http://zimfinalpush2.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-zimbabweans-do-not-rebel.html">"WHY ZIMBABWEANS DO NOT REBEL", </a><a href="http://zimfinalpush2.blogspot.com/2007/06/thoughts-and-memories-of-former-zanu-pf.html">"THE THOUGHTS AND MEMORIES OF A FORMER ZANU_PF CADRE"</a> ETC. <br /><br />( PLEASE CLICK ON THE HEADINGS TO GET TO THE POSTINGS!)<br /><br />So why have I not been writing of late? <br /> <br />The reasons are numerous:<br /> <br />1..... Too many things have been happening of late and Ive been busy creating links from my own blogs to articles of interest relevant to our tragic Zim Situation.<br /> <br />2.....I've written a lot before and I've not been getting any challenges and any person can testify that it is very much depressing to talk for months in a room full of people but without any responses whether of agreement or of contradiction. I'm encouraged, though, by the numbers of visitors that come to my site many of them having been led by other bloggers etc from their various sites. <br />Then <br /><br />3..... I didn't think I would really have to write about The Hon Thabo Mbeki hoping that he would quickly move away from his dubious so-called "Quiet Diplomacy" and therefore rendering my intended writings irrelevant or, as they say, "overtaken by events."<br />Now that the "Quiet Diplomacy" seems to "rage on" more vigorously, I can proceed to put pen down to paper.<br /> <br />WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS "QUIET DIPLOMACY" ALL ABOUT???<br /> <br />I'm sure we are aware that there should be and definitely exists a form of brotherhood within the Revolutionary Movements that have successfully unshackled their peoples from the yoke of racism and settler colonialism.<br /> <br />This brotherhood should be extending not only through the length and breadth of Africa but should extend to the so-called Diaspora where the black man has been getting various "raw deals" eg Jamaica , The United States of America etc.<br /> <br />The liberation movements of the then Rhodesia benefited from the already liberated "zones" like Zambia , Tanzania , Ghana etc. The ZANLA and ZIPRA forces owe a lot to the leaderships of the OAU and the FRONTLINE STATES.<br /> <br />So when Mugabe came into power in Zimbabwe , he immediately joined the FRONTLINE STATES which added their weight to the need for the liberation of South West Africa and South Africa itself.<br /> <br />Without doubt Cde Robert Gabriel Mugabe was not found wanting in this regard!<br /> <br />He would announce how much he was contributing from his own salary towards funds that would assist in the AZANIAN AND NAMIBIAN cause.<br /> <br />It would impossible for me to enumerate how saboteurs from the then racist South Africa did various acts to destabilize the newly independent State of Zimbabwe. So without doubt the South Africans and the Namibians owe a lot to Cde Mugabe and Zimbabwe (among other countries).<br /> <br />BUT LETS TAKE A CORNER NOW:<br /> <br />It did not escape the South Africans that Cde Robert Mugabe was rather autocratic and had a somewhat "rough side" to his style of management.<br /> <br />As usual, one does not concentrate on the faults of his neighbour , more so his senior.<br /> <br />Who didn't know that "The Ngwazi" Dr Kamuzu Banda openly boasted that threw his real or perceived "enemies" into the crocodile infested rivers?<br /> <br />Who didn't know that the late Malawian strongman used to send "hit squads" into Eastern Zambia to kidnap and even assassinate his "opponents."<br /> <br />What did Kaunda say about that?<br /> <br />What did anyone say about "The Ngwazi"?<br /> <br />We don't need to ask about Cde Mugabe because Mugabe always disappointed us by going to Malawi and spending far more days on "State Visits" than he spent even in Mozambique where he had received real physical, spiritual and material refuge to the ZANLA Liberation Fighters.<br /> <br />I will not dwell on the real strange admiration that Cde Mugabe had of the despicably evil so called "NGWAZI."<br /> <br />What I'm trying to highlight is the lack of words to at least condemn a fellow President when he de-humanizes his own peoples.<br /> <br />The ANC and PAC know very well how Dr Joshua Nkomo was tormented and hounded in a new Zimbabwe that he had lived all his life struggling to liberate.<br /> <br />Even now they don't need to read books and publications about the "GUKURAHUNDI MASSACRES" of the early 80s. They were in Bulawayo when it all happened.<br /> <br />Moreso, the Ndebeles who suffered more are really descendants of the Zulus who ran away under Lobengula from another war-monger Tshaka in the 19th Century.<br /> <br />The Xhosas (who are relatives of Cde Nelson Mandela and Cde Thabo Mbeki) are also of a significant number in the area affected by "GUKURAHUNDI".<br /> <br />These Xhosas came as servants of the white man during the period of the PIONEER COLUMN and other later expeditions.<br /> <br />I'm trying to highlight that Zimbabwe , to the South Africans , is not a country that is far removed like, say, Somalia , the DRC, or Ethiopia .<br /> <br />Zimbabwe is really like an extension of South Africa . <br /> <br />So where is the problem? <br /> <br />Does South Africa lack compassion about what's happening just across the river? But surely even the Limpopo crocodiles have been heard saying "Thank God for the Zim crisis and thank God more for President Mbeki's Quiet Diplomacy!" <br /> <br />Does Mbeki not know the magnitude of the problem?<br /> <br />Lets go slowly over this one!<br /> <br />There is no doubt that Mugabe had great joy to see Namibia and subsequently South Africa/Azania getting their Independence . <br /> <br />The very serious problem that emerged was when Cde Nelson Mandela's "glory" overshadowed that of Cde Robert Mugabe. No serious Political Analyst should ever under-estimate this issue.<br /> <br />Mugabe is a very sensitive person who does not forgive any-one who even attempts (obviously through no fault of his) to get a greater standing ovation than his.<br /> <br />THAT IS ROBERT MUGABE'S REAL "FAULT LINE!!!" <br /><br />Everything else we can describe eg assassinations etc come from that fault-line! Its nothing he can do about it himself especially at this late stage in his life. Only lessons we must learn for the future.<br /> <br />In Zimbabwe itself, no politician can get more attention than him. All who speak must refer to him and say they have been sent to convey whatever "goodies" etc that they will be donating even personally! At major events eg at National Funerals only Cde Mugabe will speak! Mugabe is the BE ALL in ZANU-PF and in ZIMBABWE ! <br /> <br />And he stupidly enjoys that situation!<br /> <br />All the intellectuals eg Cde Nathan Shamuyarira have been reduced to making small statements mainly "rubber-stamping" decisions that will have been really made by one man, ROBERT MUGABE!<br /> <br />Remember that Dr Shamuyarira left Government around 1998 saying he would concentrate on writing a book about Robert Mugabe. But he also said he wasn't happy about the welfare of the people as early as at that time. But the trillion dollar question (Zim dollars, of course) is where is the book 9 nine years down the line?<br /> <br />Ladies and Gentlemen we are dealing with a demagogue who has literally "urinated' into the very revolution that we were supposed to be very proud of! Everyone is not of any value except Cde Mugabe himself! He gives value to people and withdraws it when he feels like!<br /> <br />The very people that set him up where he is at the moment and who unwillingly prop him up at that elevated position have no power to remove him! Those that tried died in mysterious car accidents or are alive…YES… but completely "immobilized."<br /> <br />Now Thabo Mbeki knows all this and is one of the most intelligent people in South Africa . Cde Thabo Mbeki sits in front of a Computer and not only "surfs" the Internet but he also writes letters himself personally which are posted to the ANC WEBSITE and I get a copy in my "IN-BOX" every Friday afternoon without fail!<br /> <br />Again, my question is: WHAT WENT WRONG BETWEEN THE ZIM STRONGMAN AND THE SOUTH AFRICAN POLITICIANS?<br /> <br />When the late dictator Laurent Kabila of the DRC requested assistance in the mid-90s, Mugabe asked Cde Nelson Mandela if he could also contribute troops but Cde Nelson Mandela declined. I will not try and analyse why Mandela could not commit himself but knowing Mugabe as we do, that was completely unforgivable.<br /> <br />Mugabe weeps inside and blood oozes from his heart to other internal organs and he gets really depressed when "snubbed." <br /> <br />When the revered Nobel Prize winner the Archbishop Desmond Tutu asked Mugabe to please release those jailed mercenaries, Mugabe treated him as a Primary School Headmaster would treat a very naughty school boy.<br /> <br />During the farm invasions of 2000 onwards, the South African envoy, the High Commissioner himself was nearly killed when the violent war veterans mistook him for some MDC official at a farm to the north of CHINHOYI.<br /> <br />During the 2002 Elections, South African Observer Mission members were severely assaulted when ZANU-PF thugs mistook them for MDC Officials since they were having some meetings with MDC Officials. <br /><br /><a href="http://finalpushzim.blogspot.com/2007/05/mr-mbeki-do-you-remember-this-one.html">LINK!!!!!!</a><br /> <br />So to tell everyone the truth, there is nothing that CDe Thabo Mbeki doesn't know about the Zim story!<br /> <br />In fact, he himself once languished in Mugabe's jail and may write a book about that after Mugabe's departure from Office or expiry (whichever comes first.)<br /> <br />SO AS CDE WILF MBANGA ONCE ASKED, "WHY MBEKI?????"<br /> <br /> <br />Here are my own humble views:<br /> <br />Cde Mbeki just wants Mugabe to have the longest rope possible and let the world watch how the fool will use it! <br />Cde Mbeki does not want to have any of Mugabe's blood on his hands. <br /><br />Mugabe must have the luxury and privileged of hanging himself. <br /><br />But above all, Mbeki is a very seasoned intellectual. <br /><br />He must know that a nation gets the best out of their situation if they liberate themselves with their own hands!<br /><br />A baby is healthiest if he gets out the womb on his own!<br /><br />A little chick will not survive if you break open the egg shell for it! <br /><br />The little chick must use its own "muscles" to force that shell open! <br /><br />The Zimbos must liberate themselves!<br /> <br />BUT MORE FRIGHTENING OBSERVATIONS:<br /><br />MBEKI'S INCLINATIONS TOWARDS THE "MUGABE STYLES!"<br /> <br />Prevent the Zulus from getting into power! (Mugabe style!)<br /> <br />Suppress the Inquiries about the Assassination of Cde Chris Hani! (Mugabe style!)<br /> <br />So fellow Zimbos .....there we are!<br /> <br />WE ARE ALL ON OUR OWN! <br /> <br />MAY THE GOOD LORD ABOVE HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS!<br /><br />(ASK ME....MY REPLY: "THE WORLD MUST ARM OUR YOUTHS TO OUST THAT DERANGED, MISGUIDED DEMAGOGUE! ONLY A BULLET WILL REMOVE THAT UNREFORMED TERRORIST! WE NEVER GOT DEMOCRACY! THERE WAS MORE DEMOCRACY FOR THE BLACK MAN UNDER IAN SMITH ALTHOUGH IT WAS LIMITED AND RESTRICTED!)<br /><br />REV MUFARO STIG HOVE!<br /><br />Cell: 0791463039 RSA <br /><br />mufarostig@yahoo.co.uk </strong>The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-43345703366416586542007-07-12T07:41:00.001-07:002007-07-12T07:46:54.206-07:00SOUTH AFRICA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF ITS COLLUSION WITH MUGABE!!!<strong>South Africa: For Our Collusion With Mugabe Black SA Should Feel Ashamed<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://allafrica.com/stories/200707120355.html">LINK!!!!!</a><br />Business Day (Johannesburg)<br /><br />OPINION<br />12 July 2007<br />Posted to the web 12 July 2007<br /><br />Xolela Mangcu<br />Johannesburg<br /><br />"IF WE are incapable of being ashamed of our country, we do not love it. It is a shame that can be valuably mobilised," renowned scholar of nationalism Benedict Anderson said during an address at Wits last year.<br /><br />I have often locked horns with many white South Africans over their lack of shame about apartheid. This lack of shame has often turned into outright denial of how apartheid gave them a cruel and unfair advantage over black people. I suppose their unspoken logic is that any expression of shame would lead to a pronouncement of guilt, which would in turn to lead to punishment.<br /><br /> <br />But as Anderson puts it, there is something intrinsically redemptive about shame - without extending into guilt and punishment.<br /><br />In the same way that I have been astonished by this lack of shame in white society, I cannot see how black people cannot be ashamed by our complicity in the Zimbabwean tragedy.<br /><br />I will leave criticism of "quiet diplomacy" to foreign policy experts. I am talking about something much more basic and simple than such sophisticated concepts. I am simply asking whether we can feel proud about our South African identity and our values given our own collusion in what has happened in Zimbabwe.<br /><br />Collusion may seem like a strong word. After all, our country did not send troops to put down the people of Zimbabwe. But I would argue that we provided this monstrous dictator with psychological aid and comfort. Our leaders and intellectuals swallowed President Robert Mugabe's lie that Zimbabwe's problems were a creation of the western world. We gave him standing ovations and received him with thunderous applause whenever he came here. We put down his critics as agents of the west or sellouts or coconuts of one type or the other.<br /><br />We argued for noninterference as articulately as our former oppressors did during those long dark decades of apartheid. We did and said all of these things even as we witnessed the destruction on our television screens. The idea of a country in which the government has to arrest shop-owners for increasing prices to stay in business is truly absurd.<br /><br />Reasonable people have been asking how it is that a whole society can stand by while their ruler does as he wishes with the whole country. In many ways that is a question for the people of Zimbabwe to answer. The question for South Africans to answer is how could we have given psychological aid and comfort to the agents of this tragedy. Personally, I was sickened by the whole thing, and our participation in it. I always felt we had squandered our moral authority in defence of an irredeemable monster.<br /><br />I suppose part of the reason I write is to simply record my own reactions to history. And when it comes to Zimbabwe it is a history of which I am utterly ashamed.<br /><br />In the final analysis my expression of shame about our support for Mugabe also has something to do with our political future. I fear that in our support for Mugabe we demonstrated that we lost the basic value of ubuntu that was supposed to underpin our political democracy. If we can show such callousness towards the people of Zimbabwe, what would stop us from such callousness to our neighbours here at home?<br /><br />After all, world history is littered with examples of neighbours turning on each other in the name of ethnic and racial nationalism, mainly at the instigation of thugs and gangsters lodged deep within the state. For example, there is still more we need to know more about the genocidal campaigns that Mugabe is said to have unleashed on the people of Matabeleland in the 1980s.<br /><br />In the final analysis, Mugabe's terror raises lessons for SA about what happens when thugs take over the state, when its citizens become accomplices to the terror, and when politicians and intellectuals become the chief theoreticians of that terror. We have the responsibility to do some soul-searching about our own role in this sordid and tragic affair, if only to prevent it from happening here any time in the future.<br /><br />Relevant Links <br /> <br />Southern Africa <br />South Africa <br />Zimbabwe <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Our first instinct may be to deny any such complicity, and say there is nothing we could have done. But did we really have to applaud this murderous dictator? What does that say about us and our own cultural and political values? How did we become cheerleaders in an unseemly celebration of mass murder and gangsterism?<br /><br />The answer must begin with a sense of shame, but then shame presupposes an articulation of preexisting values. I still look forward to the day when all this racial nationalism is no longer with us, and we can speak openly about the values we hold in common.<br /><br />Mangcu is executive chairman of the Platform for Public Deliberation, and a visiting scholar at the Public Intellectual Life Project at the University of the Witwatersrand.</strong>The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-61800799541191804572007-07-12T07:41:00.000-07:002007-07-12T07:45:50.708-07:00SOUTH AFRICA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF ITS COLLUSION WITH MUGABE!!!<strong>South Africa: For Our Collusion With Mugabe Black SA Should Feel Ashamed<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://allafrica.com/stories/200707120355.html">LINK!!!!!</a><br />Business Day (Johannesburg)<br /><br />OPINION<br />12 July 2007<br />Posted to the web 12 July 2007<br /><br />Xolela Mangcu<br />Johannesburg<br /><br />"IF WE are incapable of being ashamed of our country, we do not love it. It is a shame that can be valuably mobilised," renowned scholar of nationalism Benedict Anderson said during an address at Wits last year.<br /><br />I have often locked horns with many white South Africans over their lack of shame about apartheid. This lack of shame has often turned into outright denial of how apartheid gave them a cruel and unfair advantage over black people. I suppose their unspoken logic is that any expression of shame would lead to a pronouncement of guilt, which would in turn to lead to punishment.<br /><br /> <br />But as Anderson puts it, there is something intrinsically redemptive about shame - without extending into guilt and punishment.<br /><br />In the same way that I have been astonished by this lack of shame in white society, I cannot see how black people cannot be ashamed by our complicity in the Zimbabwean tragedy.<br /><br />I will leave criticism of "quiet diplomacy" to foreign policy experts. I am talking about something much more basic and simple than such sophisticated concepts. I am simply asking whether we can feel proud about our South African identity and our values given our own collusion in what has happened in Zimbabwe.<br /><br />Collusion may seem like a strong word. After all, our country did not send troops to put down the people of Zimbabwe. But I would argue that we provided this monstrous dictator with psychological aid and comfort. Our leaders and intellectuals swallowed President Robert Mugabe's lie that Zimbabwe's problems were a creation of the western world. We gave him standing ovations and received him with thunderous applause whenever he came here. We put down his critics as agents of the west or sellouts or coconuts of one type or the other.<br /><br />We argued for noninterference as articulately as our former oppressors did during those long dark decades of apartheid. We did and said all of these things even as we witnessed the destruction on our television screens. The idea of a country in which the government has to arrest shop-owners for increasing prices to stay in business is truly absurd.<br /><br />Reasonable people have been asking how it is that a whole society can stand by while their ruler does as he wishes with the whole country. In many ways that is a question for the people of Zimbabwe to answer. The question for South Africans to answer is how could we have given psychological aid and comfort to the agents of this tragedy. Personally, I was sickened by the whole thing, and our participation in it. I always felt we had squandered our moral authority in defence of an irredeemable monster.<br /><br />I suppose part of the reason I write is to simply record my own reactions to history. And when it comes to Zimbabwe it is a history of which I am utterly ashamed.<br /><br />In the final analysis my expression of shame about our support for Mugabe also has something to do with our political future. I fear that in our support for Mugabe we demonstrated that we lost the basic value of ubuntu that was supposed to underpin our political democracy. If we can show such callousness towards the people of Zimbabwe, what would stop us from such callousness to our neighbours here at home?<br /><br />After all, world history is littered with examples of neighbours turning on each other in the name of ethnic and racial nationalism, mainly at the instigation of thugs and gangsters lodged deep within the state. For example, there is still more we need to know more about the genocidal campaigns that Mugabe is said to have unleashed on the people of Matabeleland in the 1980s.<br /><br />In the final analysis, Mugabe's terror raises lessons for SA about what happens when thugs take over the state, when its citizens become accomplices to the terror, and when politicians and intellectuals become the chief theoreticians of that terror. We have the responsibility to do some soul-searching about our own role in this sordid and tragic affair, if only to prevent it from happening here any time in the future.<br /><br />Relevant Links <br /> <br />Southern Africa <br />South Africa <br />Zimbabwe <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Our first instinct may be to deny any such complicity, and say there is nothing we could have done. But did we really have to applaud this murderous dictator? What does that say about us and our own cultural and political values? How did we become cheerleaders in an unseemly celebration of mass murder and gangsterism?<br /><br />The answer must begin with a sense of shame, but then shame presupposes an articulation of preexisting values. I still look forward to the day when all this racial nationalism is no longer with us, and we can speak openly about the values we hold in common.<br /><br />Mangcu is executive chairman of the Platform for Public Deliberation, and a visiting scholar at the Public Intellectual Life Project at the University of the Witwatersrand.</strong>The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-67472490304828323942007-07-06T02:59:00.000-07:002007-07-06T03:01:58.995-07:00Mbeki's rehabilitation of Zanu PF!!!<a href="http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/mthuli30.16625.html"><strong><strong>LINK!!!!!</strong></a><br /><br /><br /><div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><STRONG>By Mthulisi Mathuthu</STRONG></FONT></div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><STRONG> <div><BR>(<A href="http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/kutamaarchive.1214.html">READ MTHULISI'S PREVIOUS ARTICLES</A>)</STRONG></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=#0000ff size=1><STRONG> <BR> <SCRIPT language=Javascript><!-- // *********************************************** // AUTHOR: WWW.CGISCRIPT.NET, LLC // URL: http://www.cgiscript.net // Use the script, just leave this message intact. // Download your FREE CGI/Perl Scripts today! // ( http://www.cgiscript.net/scripts.htm ) // *********************************************** document.write("<b>Last updated: "+document.lastModified+"</b>"); //--> </SCRIPT> <B>Last updated: 07/03/2007 19:27:42</B> </STRONG></FONT></div><FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=#0000ff size=1><STRONG> <div><BR></STRONG></FONT><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>PRESIDENT Thabo Mbeki's image today is that of a centrist, intolerant and cold manager. So widely-held is the view that very nearly all his biographers and critics have identified traces of authoritarianism in his administrative style, so much so that it will be difficult to suspect a hatchet job.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2> <SCRIPT type=text/javascript><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-3811101359216804"; google_ad_width = 200; google_ad_height = 90; google_ad_format = "200x90_0ads_al"; google_ad_channel = ""; //--></SCRIPT> <SCRIPT src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js" type=text/javascript> </SCRIPT> </FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>His mistrust for the media, his refusal to open up to new ideas on how to go about tackling the Zimbabwean crisis and his persistence on his so-called 'quiet diplomacy' while the crisis deepens, have all conspired to lend credence to the sorry image.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>As the talks between the Zimbabwean belligerents got underway recently, Mbeki's sorry image cast its shadow over the whole enterprise sending the signal that this could be yet another waste of time.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Instead of the whole enterprise becoming a collective, inclusive drive towards a better Zimbabwe with Mbeki leading the discourse, it has already diminished into a shadowy exercise exhibiting directly, his personal attitudes, moods, views and flaws.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>To kick-start an exercise of such a magnitude and importance with an individual's character holding sway is to fail at the outset. </FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>The reports last week that a media black-out had been imposed on the Zimbabwe talks were enlightening as they were disturbing. What this means is that Mbeki -- a person who relishes in working in the shadows and mistrusts journalists -- is not only playing a midwifery role but is already going to be the outcome himself.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>To say the media blackout is meant to forestall a Zanu PF boycott is very difficult to fathom. This is a snake-oil attitude of Mbeki and his soul-mate Mugabe who over the years have demonstrated deep dislike for open criticism from the opposition and what they view as the 'liberal media'.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>To want to muzzle the media in the middle of such an important story is a demonstration that while the idea to bring the parties together is modern, the tools and spirit employed to achieve this all belong to the earlier era.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Those who have spoken to diplomats will agree that it has always been Mbeki's view that what is obtaining in Zimbabwe requires no regime change but re-organisation. It is a revolution that slightly went off-track and the remedy would be to reform Zanu PF.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Sources speak of how Mbeki has lined up Zanu PF reformists such as Dr Ibbotson Day Mandaza as consultants on how to proceed on the issue.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>To Mbeki, the likes of Welshman Ncube and Morgan Tsvangirai would do well to join Zanu PF. They are the rebels who should be readmitted and not politicians with a different world view seeking an electoral mandate to steer the ship through the un-navigated waterways.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>The 1987 Unity Accord between PF Zapu and Zanu PF was enough and its only mistake was that it left out the young revolutionaries, Mbeki reasons. MDC was occasioned by the frustration of the young revolutionaries whose upward mobility was thwarted by the unyielding seniors.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>So Mbeki's approach would be to convince Mugabe to create space for the new blood and prepare for the party's continuation after he has left. In achieving this, Mbeki would have killed two birds with one stone.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>He would have beaten back the internal threats to the ANC and he would have secured his legacy and cancelled any feelings that his quiet diplomacy was a charade.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Mbeki, who wants to be known as intellectual is on a mission to secure his legacy as a man who stopped the neo-liberal push for the destruction of the liberation parties. He wants to renew their hold on the body-politic by merging the young radical blood and the old blood and set an example for the whole region.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>He is not just in a laboratory to carry out a study, but is in the dark room to work out his alchemy -- mixing deadwood with new blood. So Zimbabwe is the right place to start because it has a ruling party that has refused to yield and has a strong opposition with a huge following.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>From the outset, Mbeki's agenda is at variance with the aspirations of Zimbabweans as he seeks to preserve the revolutionary aspirations and to renew his own party back home while the Zimbabweans hope for a new dispensation free from the 'locust class' mentality of the post-liberation aristocracy.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>That is why he should work in the shadows with no journalist reporting on his attempts to reform Zanu PF. If the CODESA talks that brought about a new South Africa were almost under the full glare of the media, why shouldn't journalists cover the Zimbabwean talks?</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Another development of concern has been that right from the outset President Mbeki's personal miscalculations and confusion are proving to be determinant factors in the talks.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>As is well-known it has always been his view that the Zimbabwean story is a racial drama and Mugabe who knows all too well that he is himself the problem long identified that stupidity on Mbeki's part and is exploiting it to the fullest.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>That is why Zanu PF's submissions are coined in such a manner so as to strike a chord with Mbeki.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Just listen to the poppycock: The MDC must "drastically re-orientate its attitude towards national events", stop forthwith its "promotion of violence", commit itself to the "irreversibility of land reform", "respect the country's sovereignty and its national laws", call for the lifting of sanctions, and "stop calling for outside interference in Zimbabwe's domestic affairs".</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>For Mugabe to proceed in this manner is an indicator that he doesn't take Mbeki and his talks seriously. It is very difficult to imagine that Mugabe himself and some of his most daft ministers believe in their submissions to Mbeki but alas the South African President has embraced them.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>That is why as Mbeki sets about his job, the incumbent in Harare will crank up the gears towards repression, seizing passports of the opposition leaders, haranguing journalists, passing new communication laws to limit free expression (in resonance with the media blanket over the talks).</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>So Mbeki will come to a stage where he will find out that what he did was nothing but to help up carry on with his agenda.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><EM><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Mthulisi Mathuthu can be contacted on e-mail: <A href="mailto:thuthuma@yahoo.com"><STRONG>thuthuma@yahoo.com</STRONG></A></FONT></EM></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><BR><A href="http://newzim.proboards29.com/index.cgi?"><STRONG>JOIN THE DEBATE ON THIS ARTICLE ON THE NEWZIMBABWE.COM FORUMS</STRONG></A></FONT></div><p>  <hr size=1> Yahoo! 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Sources denied the visit was a direct result of the deteriorating situation in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Africa</st1:place></st1:country-region>'s main trading partner. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Our source said the South African government is monitoring developments in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region> with alarm. There are fears that an economic collapse could lead to a worsening influx of refugees into <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Africa</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mbeki is also reported to have been privately angered by President Mugabe's handling of the crisis over land redistribution and its adverse impact on <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place>'s image internationally. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">South Africa</SPAN></st1:country-region><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> has studiously refrained from making any public comment on developments in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region>, opting instead for behind-the-scenes diplomacy in an attempt to prevent its troubled neighbour sliding into economic collapse and anarchy.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nelson Mandela, the former president, was quoted saying "quiet diplomacy" was the best approach for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Africa</st1:place></st1:country-region>. "In my experience, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Africa</st1:place></st1:country-region> would be more effective if they dealt with the problem quietly," he reportedly said in response to questions. Jacob Zuma, Mbeki's heir apparent however made indirect criticism of Mugabe in a speech at an ANC meeting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"Powerful leaders should not be allowed to intimidate democratically elected parliaments and should remain accountable to them," Zuma said to applause from delegates.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The opposition MDC has said it believed Mbeki's mediation this time around could bear fruit because he was carrying the SADC mandate. An opposition deputy said Mugabe was likely to repeal POSA and some sections of AIPPA. 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ZimDaily is not responsible for what they say. Please keep your comments short and sweet. Obscene, tribalistic, racist, vulgar comments will be deleted. Simple HTML is allowed for basic text editing. </B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">MBEKI A NON-EVENT!!1<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">The sooner everyone realizes Mbeki is a non-event, the better for everyone! You and I who can even see this article must think of the suffering people in Zim! Anyone who dreams of a solution in the next year is a pathetic hypocrite! Zimbos are dying....being eaten by crocodiles in the <st1:place w:st="on">Limpopo</st1:place>? SAKA KUSI KUFA NDOKUPI? ARM THE PEOPLE....PERIOD! M S Hove.... www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com mufarostig@yahoo.co.uk <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>ZIMFINALPUSH!!! , DIASPORA!!!</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 06:44 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Mbeki supports Mugabe 100%<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Mbeki will go to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region> and hold hands in solidarity with Mugabe. Why does the media always go on about Mbeki trying to shift Mugabe. He's not! Mbeki and Mugabe have a shared dream and that is to put their parties in power forever. <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Africa</st1:place></st1:country-region> will also nationalise in time. That has always been their objective. Why else would Mbeki use his government to promote Mugabe and shelter him on global platforms. What the people of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region> want doesn't mean a tin of s h i t to Mbeki or Mugabe. It's high time Zimbabweans woke up to this fact. It's all about power, not people.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Humba Mugabe , Highfields</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 07:57 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">ZUMA ZUMA ZUMAAA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">What we need is a straight talking neighbor like J Zuma. This Mbeki guy is clueless about our situation. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>cIO , Gushungoland</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 08:11 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">To Hell with Mbeki<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">When did he start mediating?? Long back, what was achieved?? zero, so this time you expect wonders from him, forget. We are wasting our time thinking that something will be done by this coackroach. Lets arise and arm ourselves rather than wait for a fellow human being time is no longer on our side<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Kwiti , <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Chipinge</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region></st1:place></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 08:12 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">no title</SPAN></I></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">MDC is very stupid Mbeki has been playing games with them for to long what talks ?Mbeki is Mugabe support full stop , he is fighting for Zanu pf survival not Mdc that is why the Ndebeles sold out the struggle , Tsvangirai open your eyes and stop being pused around like r dead wood , remember they r people in jails , and people dying .Mbeki is a non starter . i urge all zimbababweans to invade <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">south africa</st1:place></st1:country-region> in our millions and vote for Mr HIV Zuma in our thousand so that we can fix MBEKI.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>KABABY , <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">uk</st1:place></st1:country-region></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 08:45 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Mbeki to hell Zuma is Boo<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Both Mugabe and Mbeki waroyi, the only difference is Mbeki anoroya usiku (queit diplomacy) and yet Mugabe anoroya masikati zuva rakacheka nyika (Ops muramba tsvina, gukura hundi, Talent Mabika you can name Brig Gunda etc.) Why not Zuma in SA and Tsvangison in Zim. All those in the diaspora will came home.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Jo jo Zep , <st1:City w:st="on">Parramatta</st1:City>, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sydney</st1:place></st1:City>, Austrlia</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 08:51 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">MUSAVARWE Mbeki muroyi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">MBEKI IS ACTUALLY BENEFITING AT EXPENSE OF SUFFERING ZIMBABWEAN CAUSE HE TOOK OVER ALL THE WHITE FARMERS AND GAVE THEM LAND, SO HE DONT WANT THE SITUATION IN <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ZIMBABWE</st1:place></st1:country-region> TO IMPROVE, <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">AS A WAY</st1:address></st1:Street> OF MATAINING A GOOD NAME<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Baba <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">VaTANAKA</st1:City> , <st1:country-region w:st="on">UK</st1:country-region></st1:place></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 09:14 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Mbeki uyu?????<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Maonero angu Sekuru Mbeki <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">havana</st1:place></st1:City> kusiyana na sekuru Mugabe. Varikurwa vamire kuedza kuita third term as ANC president. Makambozviona kupi kuti President we ANC ndi Mbeki asi President wenyika ari someone else? Mbeki imhata. Hapana kana chinobuda apa. I have no trust for this Asshole called Mbeki. Mark my words. NOTHING WILL COME OUT OF THESE TALKS. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>MUCHONI , JONI</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 10:00 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Kedu Zuma Ndizvo Manje<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Munoreva here uyuyu Great Son of Africa weku discover shower? The best answer to HIV edzi! Isu vamwe tinongotyira kuti vasikana vedu angavapedze vese. Mbuya vaRennie motambira <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">kure</st1:place></st1:City> kana Zuma vakamutuma kuHarare. Mungatorwe ndikabata pasi. Mbeki wants things to remian dead in Zim so that he continues to use our skilled labour yakatrainwa na va Mugabe.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Sekuru vaRennie , Jerusarema Idzva; Nyika yababa</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 10:24 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">All you fools do not know a bit About MBEKI<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">I have told you from time and time again Mbeki knows far much greater than all you lot that run away from your country in search of greener pastures . He knows Zim Politics better that street commentators like you . He knew Facts less the propaganda you are fed on . Mbeki knows the Problems in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region> are 50% solved if <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Britain</st1:place></st1:country-region> are in good terms , Hence the SADC initiatives . He know 30% of <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region> problems are solved if Sanctions and credit lines are lifted and restored respectively , hence the SADC/EU initiatives on <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region>. He knows that The lat 20% of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region>,s problems for lasting solutions are solved for long term sustainability by a new reformed ZANU PF GVT less Mugabe and with a mix of opposition in influencial offices , hence the MDC/ZANU Talks end of story.Like it or not you have got to live with that fact my bruuu.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Kenneth Kurwa , <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sofia</st1:place></st1:City></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 10:32 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Kenneth Kurwa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Where the hell are you coming from you daughter of the deadly bitch lucifer, all the words you are utter are just rotten haaaaaaaa, bullshit mukanwa makafira dembo.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Kwiti , <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Chipinge</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:country-region></st1:place></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 10:40 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Let me Clarify to you ZUMA,s Words before you get too excited you fools<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">I have already seen a long list of those clammering ZUMA , ZUMA above yet no one even bothered to analyse what exactly ZUMA,s Words mean and to me his words are not a direct or indirect attack on Mugabe they are infact a direct attack on USA/BRITAIN and EU and thus his words are directly in tandem with Mugabe,s Theme . Here are Zuma,s Words . Jacob Zuma, Mbeki's heir apparent however made indirect criticism of Mugabe in a speech at an ANC meeting. "Powerful leaders should not be allowed to intimidate democratically elected parliaments and should remain accountable to them," Zuma said to applause from delegates. Since When has Robert Mugabe been hailed as a powerful Leader ? Has Robert ever Challenged a democratically Elected Parliament ? In other Words ZUMA is digging at the West / <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Britain</st1:place></st1:country-region> its leaders for Challenging Democratically Elected Parliaments Which Only Robert Mugabe is Accountable to . Meaning The Western GVt must not interfere in the Internal Affairs of another Country that has got its on elected parliaments and the President being accountable only to that parliament. Kuenda Kuchikoro Kwakanaka <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">hama</st1:place></st1:City> dzangu ndapota . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Kenneth Kurwa , <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sofia</st1:place></st1:City></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 10:45 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Kenneth Kurwa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">So according to you and certainly not Mbeki, the Zim problem is 50% Mugabe/British bad blood induced, 30% Sanctions induced and 20% Zanu owned. How scientific? So if we remove Zanu PF and Mugabe we will resolve 70% of our problems. If we ignore Makoni and a Reformed Zanu we will notch an 80% reversal of our misfortune and if we ignore Zanu and Mugabe's personal hatred of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Britain</st1:place></st1:country-region> we will be 50% better off than we are today. Fantastic. Now how do you expect people to vote for Makoni ahead of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Britain</st1:place></st1:country-region>'s blue eyed boy Tsvangirai if your extrapolation is right of which it is not anywhere? Mbeki, Zuma ANC and Mugabe Makoni and Zanu PF are one and the same source of our problems. I can only see a changed attitude towards Zanu and Mugabe engrossing <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Africa</st1:place></st1:country-region> when a South African Trade Unionist leader matures to the level of our own Lucia Matibenga, Gibson Sibanda, Morgan Tsvangirai, Isaac Matongo and Thokozile Khupe. Before that I expect no sympathies to flow to MDC from ANC. will still resolve <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Hatirebwi Nathan Masikati , </SPAN>: Jul 5 2007 11:24 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Hatirebwi Masikati you are appearing Clever than i thought..........<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Firstly My deepest apologies for misquoting you and in the process tanishing your image. I am very Sorry for that . I have sent an apology soon after i realised i meant to say HUMBULANI. Now back to your Questions 1.Thank you for agreeing with my analysis of Zuma,s Statement which was getting our foolish readers on a roller coaster of praising ZUMA when infact he was not even talking about Mugabe . 2. It is No secret if you remove the Propaganda being chunned out by oppositions that indeed 50% of Zim Crisis is solvable if Britain and Zimbabwe are to get on talking terms . Many countries know that , UN , Knows it and all . I say Rhetoric from opposition because rightfully they should be seen to say its not true there are other issues because they are in opposition , end of story .MDc is doing their Best to opposses but When it comes to finding lasting solutions to the other problems , Propaganda is left on the door step and only clean hands are allowed .Therefore by getting Britain on talking terms with Mugabe it means the removal or retirement of Mugabe 50% of the Problems are solved and therefore credit lines , IMF and World Bank can now speak to Zimbabwe directly without any lobby from Britain and EU because they will be on our side and another 30% of the problem is solved . But these institutions require garantees that other factors of mismanagement , corruption etc are addressed and that the credit lines are utilised to the benefit of the Nation that is divided along party lines and therefore ZANU PF must change or must be seen to be changing and Simba Makoni comes in as the British/Western Favourate not Morgan as he is no longer their boy anymore . He made greater judgemental mistakes and knowing the British myself they do not forgive anyone that embarasses them they move on and now its going to be SIMBA MAKONI,s turn .Therefore with my statistics youhave got to be seen to tackle greater and easier solutions first and in this case it is now easier to remove Robert Mugabe , that will in turn leads to the lifting of sanctions , opening of credit lines and then reorganisation of Zimbabweans into a GVT of National Unity . Morgan though will not be forgotten , i can bet on that .Though i dislike him i will be the first guest in his Office to congradulate him , if i am still alive. I have noticed a cunny analysis in your response Hatirebwi . You thought my % were independent factors which you could play around like a puzzle trying to get the best fit . You nearly got me again but no these % are in a conceptual framework , one thing leading to the other .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Kenneth Kurwa , <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sofia</st1:place></st1:City></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 11:53 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Kenneth Kurwa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">You have seen the light. Stastical political data is not always as accurateas you believe. The issue is you wont know for sure if Simba is a favoured politician to Tsvangirai until he is on the stage. You will only gauge his strngths properly when he is unleashed on the main political arena. That is why for now I would rather concentrate on the visible playes and not him. What you are seeing on the ground with MDC rallies s nothing compared to what will happen if police violence against him and his loyalist is taken out of the equation. Not even Matibili can pull the crowds Tsvangirai is pulling and with a tolerant political environment even the cowardly will flock to his rallies rather than the converse you postulate. MDC members are the bravest Zimbabweans I have seen in my life that started in the Federation<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Hatirebwi Nathan Masikati , Murombedzi Zim</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 12:22 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Hatirebwi Thank you for the Conclusions<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Hatirebwi you have finally arrived at my conclusions . The Whole Election Monitoring Team for <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place> is rejoicing as i write that you have even supported their findings. 1. It is true we agree that Morgan is puling large crowds and if the police does not intimidate the POVO there will be even larger crowds . That our Team has postulated . 2. The Crowds Robert Pulls is not expected to be greater that Morgan.s crowds as the people are expecting a new direction , knew announcements and Robert Cannot give that and hence people cannot Come in numbers greater than Morgan and our results confirm that. 3. Where we have a problem is the Launch of another ZANU PF Candidate the Likes Of Simba Makoni , Our initial results indicates Mayhem not Large Crodws . Our Initial results indicates greater affinity to Simba Makoni than to Morgan Therefore Though both will attract Larger Crowds earlier indications favour Larger Crodws for Simba based on the Criterio i mentioned to you on the electibility Scale .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Kenneth Kurwa , <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sofia</st1:place></st1:City></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 12:37 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Keneth Kurwa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">ZUMA JACOB actually refered to Mugabe,its very clear. I, however salute you for being a genius for trying to explain away simple and straigtforward statements. typical of zanu pf spin doctors. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS 1. Mugabe overuled several adverse reports of parliament on so many bills (now laws)eg POSA, AIPPA etc. Do you remeber how the late EDSON ZVOBGO fought and other zanu & OPPOSITION legislators fought AIPPA&POSA? MUGABE reacted by calling for acuacus meeting and whipped all zanu legiaslators into line. 2. REmember how Mugabe sent our troops to DRC without parliament approval? 3. remember Mugabe"s selective presidential powers? Yes is a poweful PRESIDENT NOT ACCUONTABLE TO AN ELECTED PARLIAMENT. ZUMA AND ALL FAIR MINDED SADC citizerns are very much aware of this.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>SAUNYAMA MHETA , <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">HARARE</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">ZIMBABWE</st1:country-region></st1:place></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 01:01 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">ZUMA,s Statement is Clear for all to see SAUNYAMA , it did not Escape Kenneth<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Did you ever think what Presidential powers are ? do you know that it is his right according to the Law to overule Parliament ? What if i tell you that George Bush did overule the Senate,s recommendations not to increase the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> budget ? What if i tell you that Even though the British Parliament was clearly divided on the War in Iraq Britain through Tony Blair himself and alone with little parliamentary Support Went to War .That is WHY GORDON BROWN has STARTED by SAYING he WILL RETURN POWER to the PARLIAMENT and NEVER AGAIN will BRITAIN go to WAR without Parliament approval. Therefore its not Spin Muface its simple analysis , ZUMA never meant Robert Mugabe end of story , no matter how you yourself can try to spin it . Analyse the statement as it is my BRUU. Since When has Robert Mugabe been addressed as Powerful Leader in the First Place ? Start from there and then move foward .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>kenneth Kurwa , Sofia</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 01:18 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Kenneth the LONE fighter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">I stayed for a longtime with a brother called Kenneth. For convinience sake can you change your name to:- Tambu, Chenhamo, or if you prefer K as your first letter Kamhiripiri those tome sound more faminine than Kenneth.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>John Motsi , <st1:City w:st="on">Toronto</st1:City> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 01:20 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Kenneth Kurwa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">The anticipated launch you talk of is in its infancy if you ask me. Wait until Matibili makes his move on the initiators of that innovation and see if it will survive. That will be popularity and resolve test No 1 for him. Second if only you knew the relationship between Tsvangirai/ Manyonda/ Makoni you would not be postulating what you are saying. It is Tsvangirai who is better placed to accommodate Makoni rather than the converse that you postulate. Ever wondered why Mujuru is trying to court Tsvangirai at this juncture? He knows who is who between Tsvangirai and Makoni. Mujuru and Makoni cannot torpedo Mugabe alone as they do not have enough Parliamentary support nor structured grassroots support in Zanu. Matibili has the structures firmly under his control. Tsvangirai has both grassroots support and parliamentary clout ad his main problem is State scripted violence. Remove that and his credibility soars to heights hitherto unimagined. That is what Mujuru wants. He does not trust Tsvangirai and he knows the converse is true. That's why he has scouted for a relative of Tsvangirai to put forward as his Zanu PF ambitions proxy and Makoni fits the bill well. After dealing No 18 Amendment blow a fatal blow with Tsvangirai's envisaged Parliamentary support he will ditch Makoni for his wife for Presidency. Tsvangirai is not oblivious of this and might just use the opportunity to further gain mileage and negotiate Makoni's accommodation in MDC thereby putting paid to Makoni's representation of Zanu. Conversely Tsvangirai can simply refuse to go along with the Simba Makoni/Mujuru proposal and that will close the Parliamentary coup leaving the Zanu Congress the only avenue to follow. Now you know as well as I do what will happen at the Zanu Congress. Manyika/Kasukuwere/Muchinguri and all provincial Chairmen will nominate Mugabe. Period.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Hatirebwi Nathan Masikati , Murombedzi Zim</SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 01:27 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #dfdfdf; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">TIRED<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: white; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">We are tired of reading about the so called bitch`s statements-Kenneth Kurwa, Mr Editor if you can do us a favour of deleting all her efforts. she is useless<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #272a2f; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=right><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #ff9933; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Posted By <SPAN class=anon-comment-author>Kwiti , Chipinge <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region></SPAN> : Jul 5 2007 02:31 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">21 Comments | <B><A href="http://www.zimdaily.com/news/117/ARTICLE/1828/2007-07-05.html?add_comment#comment"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt">Add Your Comment</SPAN></A> | <A href="http://www.zimdailyforum.com/"><SPAN style="mso-ansi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt">Forums </SPAN></A>| </B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></DIV><BR><BR><div> </div><p>  <hr size=1> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/security_centre/*http://uk.security.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! 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The presence of refugees might therefore be seen as a direct indictment of policies pursued in dealing with the Mugabe regime.<br /><br />"The escape route chosen to mask this deceptive denial has been to brand all Zimbabwean refugees as border jumpers and therefore liable for criminal prosecution through a given country's immigration laws.<br /><br />"This has absolved the governments concerned of any moral responsibility."</strong>The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-68145026199608683092007-05-14T07:21:00.001-07:002007-05-14T07:21:24.414-07:00"MBEKI MUST TURN UP VOLUME ON ZIM!", SAYS SENIOR ANC MEMBER <FONT size=4><STRONG>Quiet diplomacy has failed, says Sexwale</STRONG></FONT> <TABLE style="WIDTH: 405px; HEIGHT: 44px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=caption style="WIDTH: 360px"> <div><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #747474"><STRONG> May 14 2007 at 11:37AM </STRONG></SPAN></div> <div><SPAN style="COLOR: #747474"><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN> </div> <div><SPAN style="COLOR: #747474"><A href="http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=84&art_id=vn20070514111332960C712556"><FONT size=1><STRONG>http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=84&art_id=vn20070514111332960C712556</STRONG></FONT></A></SPAN></div> <div><SPAN style="COLOR: #747474"><FONT size=1><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </div></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="HEIGHT: 1px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #cccccc" colSpan=2><FONT size=1><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=23 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=svarticletext><FONT size=+1></FONT> <div><SPAN class=articletext><FONT size=2><STRONG>By Moshoeshoe Monare, Group Deputy Political Editor<BR><BR>Former Gauteng premier and businessman Tokyo Sexwale says President Thabo Mbeki should consider other options to avoid the meltdown in Zimbabwe, as quiet diplomacy has failed.<BR><BR>Speaking on a BBC World's Hard Talk on Monday morning, Sexwale said the Zimbabwean situation had ramifications for South Africa as a neighbour.<BR><BR>"My president started with the process of quiet diplomacy - now there is nothing wrong with that, you don't start by shouting - but its success depends upon whether you are being listen to by the other side. 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Plus: play games and win prizes.The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-55936036941419543922007-05-13T03:51:00.001-07:002007-05-13T03:57:31.645-07:00MBEKI: AFRICA'S TRUE GIANT!<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_URTgvtM1BWgbpzKzXgTSiNwrpqHWZ7lGwZDmusm6tQgM_W2KOPNq1D8Ec1q09ZkXgU0s1IizSmurf1aVvYShpxhQDNy6nUU1WWp3twQTZyDA2VoV6WmpZIoi4mIAoZ3cgjKIXCuze_E/s1600-h/mbeki+amandla.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_URTgvtM1BWgbpzKzXgTSiNwrpqHWZ7lGwZDmusm6tQgM_W2KOPNq1D8Ec1q09ZkXgU0s1IizSmurf1aVvYShpxhQDNy6nUU1WWp3twQTZyDA2VoV6WmpZIoi4mIAoZ3cgjKIXCuze_E/s400/mbeki+amandla.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5063997429891618642" /></a><br /><br /><br /> <br />Thabo Mbeki is as diminutive as they come. The first and only time I saw him was in Pretoria in 1995, when he attended an exhibition organised by the Nigerian embassy early in the days of majority rule. Very high did I have to stretch my neck in order to see him when his arrival was announced, because he was virtually drowned in a sea of body guards. Then he was Deputy President Mbeki. When I finally caught a glimpse of his grey-speckled hair- I couldn't see the face- I had to say to myself 'Oh what a short man.'<br />But as events have shown since he became president in 1999, his height is about all that is mean about Mbeki's political stature. Fearless and independent-minded, he is known to be as blunt and straight-forward as his world-famous predecessor Nelson Mandela; sometimes even more so. When South Africa hosted an international conference on AIDS in the year 2000, he challenged the forum to establish a link between HIV-AIDS and poverty, insisting that the prevalence of AIDS was more a result of the poor living standards in Africa than in the fact that the disease originated from there.<br /> <br /> <br />This speech was taken and reported so out of context that in extreme cases he was even quoted as having said there was no link between HIV and AIDS. Mbeki took this barrage of criticisms in stride, never denying nor seeking to make clarification on what he said. He knew the media propaganda was deliberate, some people just didn't want him to say anything different from the agreed common myths being peddled about the highly-politicised disease.<br />Publications like the Executive Intelligence Review defended him, narrating what really happened as opposed to what the Western media would have us believe and that was how some of us got to know the truth about the HIV/AIDS controversy. But Thabo Mbeki stood his ground, in fact even adding, in another forum, that he wondered how a disease of white homosexuals had suddenly become one of black heterosexuals in Africa. The Whites in South Africa and beyond labelled his comments 'racist and un-statesman-like'. But he remained unperturbed.<br />In his State Of The Nation address in January 2002, Mr Mbeki still showed this rare independent-mindedness when he said. 'We sympathise with the American people over the unfortunate event of September 11th 2001, and we will do all within our power to help in the reconstruction of Afghanistan.' Watching the SABC while enjoying my maternity leave, I almost gave in to the urge to put down my one month old baby and give him a standing ovation. At a time when world leaders were falling over each other to identify with the US, here is a man saying the victims of American aggression also deserve solidarity. At a time when no one dared to question the invasion of Afghanistan, though no evidence could be found linking the Taliban and their Honoured Guest Usama Bin Laden to the atrocities of 9/11, Mbeki was already telling the Afghans 'when the dark dirty deeds are over, we will be there for you.'<br />Now compare this with the reaction of other African leaders to 9/11 and you get a clear picture of who to call an African giant. They all rushed to their TV networks to commiserate with the United States. They turned the other way when plans were concluded to start the bombing of Afghanistan on October 5th 2001. Some of them like our very own Baba hopped on a plane to UK with the expressed intention of moving on to the White House for commiseration and condolence. But true to type the little tyrant there said he wasn't in the mood for some African chatter. Or how else can you explain why he received many European leaders and a few Asian ones like Megawati Sukarno-Putri of Indonesia, but still turned down poor Baba's attempt to say 'Ah, sorry o'.<br />Still as if to say African allies do have their uses, George Bush was reported as having called Chief Obasanjo and assigned him the task of explaining to other ECOWAS leaders why Afghanistan must be invaded, the night before the dastardly mission commenced.<br />No such record exists of Mbeki's attempt to visit the White House after 9/11 or his being a mouth piece for the Grand Invaders ahead of the Afghan invasion. He probably already knew as early as that time that 9/11 was a hoax, staged by America and blamed on Arabs to facilitate a steady conquest of their lands. He might also have known that the plans for an invasion of Afghanistan were completed since July 2001, only a perfect excuse was needed to pursue it.<br />Additionally, Mbeki might have read about the several overtures made by the Clinton administration to the Taliban government in Kabul in order to get it to agree to pipeline deals that will allow for the supply of Afghan oil through Europe to the US, but which failed because the US will not agree to certain demands of the Taliban. In his book Taliban, Ahmad Rashid, Pakistani author and journalist dedicated a whole chapter to the pipelines issue calling the incident Romancing The Taliban 1-4. There he discussed the four times the Clinton administration had arranged meetings with Taliban officials to discuss the pipelines deals by taking them all the way to 5-star hotels in the US. Knowing all this President Mbeki would have deduced that the invasion had nothing to do with the Taliban running an ancient Islamic administration or harbouring Bin Laden but everything to do with Afghanistan having the largest proven reserves of oil and gas courtesy of the Caspian sea.<br />Alternatively Thabo Mbeki's stance might have been out of historical knowledge of the American penchant for external aggression, he therefore decided not to tow the line, in much the same way his former boss, Mandela, had shunned George W Bush during his state visit to South Africa in 2003. Nelson Mandela had left the country ahead of the American President's visit, and earlier on, just before the American invasion of Iraq, he had described United States as 'One power with a president who has no foresight, who can not think properly and is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust.' He also said 'If there is one country that has said committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America.<br />Whatever Mr Mbeki's motivation for daring to be different, he is admirably at it again, this time in his relations with the state of Palestine. Recent reports say his government has issued an invitation for a state visit to the Palestinian Prime Minister, Ismail Haniya.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />South African Intelligece Minister Mr Ronnie Kasrils who issued the invitation on behalf of his government, during a visit to Palestine, came under heavy criticism for doing so. But he dismissed his critics as myopic when he said 'Those who myopically object to such invitations merely show that they have learnt nothing from South Africa's transition.' And he is right, few other people on earth can understand the Palestinian plight better than South Africans. Apartheid was another inhuman occupation and the struggle against it had been as long, as bitter and at a great cost in human blood as the Palestinian one against Israeli occupation. So happy was late Yassir Arafat at the eventual liberation of South Africa, that when he attended Mandela's inauguration in May 1994, he expressed the wish that the liberation of Palestine, with him as an autonomous president was only a stone's throw away.<br />Right now the Jewish Board of Deputies is leading the wolf's cry against Haniya's planned visit to South Africa. They said the 'racist ideology' of Hamas stood in sharp contrast to South Africa's post-apartheid ideals. (Just look who's talking). Their spokesman Micheal Bagram had said 'As Jews and South Africans citizens we can not but view these developments with the deepest unhappiness.' But Mr Kasrils, who is himself Jewish, had defended the government's decision by saying he had used his visit to Palestine to reiterate the commitment of the South African government towards the achievement of a two-state solution based on a viable Palestinian state on the 1967 borders. This is just great. At a time like this Palestinians need all the solidarity they can get. Here is hoping that unlike the very intimidating way AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) manipulates public sympathy in favour of Israel in the United States, the Jewish Board of Deputies will not be that powerful in South Africa.<br />As business men Jews are very successful in the country, some say they control all the major businesses. The oldest gold mining company in the country, Anglo-American was founded by the Oppenheimers over a hundred years ago. When I lived there, over a decade ago, the largest supermarket chain in the country Pick and Pay was owned by a certain Mr Ackerman. Jews have lots of other business interests besides but their intimidating business profile is very unlikely to change government's policy on Palestine if Mbeki decides to remain the courageous African giant that he has proved to be. At least that is what we expect.The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-53238825910309548652007-05-10T06:29:00.001-07:002007-05-10T06:29:18.383-07:00THE PEOPLE ANALYSING MBEKI'S STYLE!<DIV class=comment id=comment-68191282> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>THE ORIGINAL STORY IS AT:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><A href="http://dearmrthabombeki.blogspot.com/2007/05/presidency-of-mbeki-confused.html">http://dearmrthabombeki.blogspot.com/2007/05/presidency-of-mbeki-confused.html</A></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>COMMENTS NOW CONTINUE!</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html">http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html</A></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>I think this story is bizarre. Why did Mbeki and the ANC KZN officials (including Zuma) hold a meeting at the Jewish Club of all places? Surely there are better conference facilities in Durban. </STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: mike | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68191282"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 01, 2007 at 22:39</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68253132></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68253132> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>We in Zim are studying his style (or lack of it!)</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Radical Soldier of Zimbabwe.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com/"><STRONG>www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com</STRONG></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: </STRONG><A title=http://www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com href="http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=45307&id=68253132" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#00009c><STRONG>Rev M S Hove</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68253132"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 16:10</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68253436></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68253436> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>We in Zim are watching his antics with a keen eye!</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com/"><STRONG>www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com</STRONG></A></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: </STRONG><A title=http://www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com href="http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=45307&id=68253436" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#00009c><STRONG>Rev M S Hove</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68253436"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 16:13</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68258400></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68258400> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>He has let down the people of Zimbabwe. The damage has been done. We can only hope that the next President of this country is willing to place the freedom of ordinary people ahead of old alliances between rulers.</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Steve | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68258400"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 17:02</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68268140></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68268140> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>South Africa's foreign policy is based on a Satanic impulse to suport everything that is evil in the world today, whether it is Hamas, the PLO and Hezbullah or the current regimes in Zimbabwe, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Iran, Myanmar, Red China, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela.<BR>There is no other explanation other than a spiritual attraction to the dark side.</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Gary | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68268140"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 18:33</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68286542></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68286542> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Ummm...of course the views of the commentators are not those of the authors of this blog. And that applies in particular to the above comment.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>"Satanic"?</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>The "Dark side"?</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>come on...</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Steve | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68286542"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 21:27</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68286864></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68286864> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>the explanation is to oversimplify, this: the ANC, given its history as anti-white anti-West and supposedly anti-colonialist and thus anti-capitalist (in reality the ANC is anything but anti-capitialist, however it pays lip service to anti-capitalism and thus anti-Americanism too), suffers from the ubiquitous human failing of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" delusion, and thus makes ties with all who like the ANC, are anti-West, anti-European (in the broad sense of the word), anti-American and anti-Jewish. Anti-Jewish since the fuel of "Leftist" Jew-hatred is, to oversimplify again, the deeply held belief that the Jew is the personificaton of the privileged super-rich oppressive elite.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Hamas hates the Jews, Hezbollah hates the Jews, etc etc; so does the ANC (they also of course need a scapegoat to turn attention away from their enormous failures and incompetence, wonder who that's going to be?) - so they are natural allies.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Much more complex though, of course, but this is just a few brief comments posted on a weblog.</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Lawrence | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68286864"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 21:31</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68288356></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68288356> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Lawrence, do you really believe that the ANC as an entity is anti-Jewish? What does that mean? Does that mean that every ANC member hates Jews?</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>You seem to have compared Hamas's hatred of Jews to the ANC. How do you support this comparison? When has the ANC specifically targetted Jews in terror attacks? </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Does the ANC freedom charter embrace the protocols of the elders of Zion?</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Do the ANC treat jews in South Africa any different from the way other minority groups are treated?</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Their support for the Palestinians is based on a shared revolutionary romance. It is based on the PLO support during apartheid. It is based on the perception of the Palestinians as the under dogs and Israel as the Goliath. It is based on the perception of Israel as the 'whites' and the Palestinians as the 'blacks'. It is based on an anti-Western ideological position. It is based on, as you said, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>How do you support your position that they just 'hate Jews'?</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Also, how do you support your view that the ANC has a history of being 'anti-white'. It could be argued that today they are somewhat 'anti-white' but that betrays their history as well as their former leaders. </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>over the majority of their existence since 1912 I could never agree that they are 'anti-white'. The nationalist strand within the ANC that was 'anti-white' split off to form what is now the PAC.<BR></STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Steve | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68288356"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 21:45</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68290126></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68290126> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Steve, if the ANC suports Hamas, Hezbullah and the Ahmadinejad regime, which are all, by your own admition anti-semitic, then the ANC are surely anti-semitic.<BR>Just as one can surmise that those who supported Hitler during World War II were anti-Semitic.<BR>Now you'll probabely say that Hamas/Hezbullah/Ahmadinejad are not the same as the Nazis and Hitler, but their aim is to wipe out the 5 million Jews of Israel, which would be two fifths of world Jewry, in the same way that Hitler wiped out a third of world Jewry.<BR>As regards your problem with my description of the ANC's Satanic foreign policy, what else could you use to describe suport for every genocidal and massmurdering regime and terrorist organization on the planet,today?</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Gary | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68290126"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 22:01</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68290166></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68290166> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Steve, if the ANC suports Hamas, Hezbullah and the Ahmadinejad regime, which are all, by your own admition anti-semitic, then the ANC are surely anti-semitic.<BR>Just as one can surmise that those who supported Hitler during World War II were anti-Semitic.<BR>Now you'll probabely say that Hamas/Hezbullah/Ahmadinejad are not the same as the Nazis and Hitler, but their aim is to wipe out the 5 million Jews of Israel, which would be two fifths of world Jewry, in the same way that Hitler wiped out a third of world Jewry.<BR>As regards your problem with my description of the ANC's Satanic foreign policy, what else could you use to describe suport for every genocidal and massmurdering regime and terrorist organization on the planet,today?</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Gary | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68290166"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 02, 2007 at 22:01</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68335878></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68335878> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Gary, do you think that Japan was anti-Semitic because they supported Nazi Germany in the war? Or that Communist Russia wasn't because they fought with the allies? Similarly, South Africa's support (as vile as it may be to me) for Iran, Cuba etc does not make them anti-Semitic. International foreign policy does not revolve exclusive around Jews. </STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: mike | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68335878"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 03, 2007 at 09:15</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68341606></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68341606> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>What I would describe as anti-semitic is South Africa being among 22 countries that did not vote for the resolution at the UN condemmning holocaust denial, South Africa being one of the few countries that voted against Israel joining the International Red Cross, and one of the few non-Islamic countries to give testimony in the Hague against Israel's security fence so that Arab terrorists could enter Israel to kill Jews.</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Gary | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68341606"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 03, 2007 at 11:33</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68364490></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68364490> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>just because the ANC charter does not call for the killing of Jews and the SABC does not broadcast documentaries on how the Jews kill Christian children to make matzah and official ANC news-sheets do not reprint the Protocols of Zion as historical truth, does not mean the ANC is not anti-Semitic. And obviously not all ANC members are anti-semitic, it's a generalisation duh. </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>If the ANC supports policies in the Middle-East that seriously undermines and reduces the ability of Israel to defend its citizens from terrorists, while at the same time giving overt support and praise to self-same terrorists who call for the liquidation of millions of Jews/the destruction of Israel(see the ANC and its praise and support for the self-confessed jihadist Arafat, its disgraceful buddy-buddy relationship with the Islamofascist regime of Iran over its entire time as the ruling govt party ie from 1994); if the ANC indulges in routine condemnation of Israel for defending or trying to defend its citizens right to life even through non-violent means like a security barrier, if the ANC has nothing to say about tyranny, mass murder/genocide and mass rapes, pillaging, burnings, dismemberments and torture, the displacement of hundreds of thousands in numerous conflicts on our own tragic continent of Africa, then yes that does make the ANC anti-Semitic, obviously. And not just the ANC...</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>As for the ANC's support for the Palestinians being motivated by a "revolutionary" bond with the ANC and other "struggle" movements or whatever you want to call it, most everybody doesn't see the obvious here, namely support for the Palestinians is just a front for Jew-hatred, and always has been. Oh but I'm not allowed to point out the obvious how can I forget, even most Jews don't get it. If the Palestinians were not at war with the Jews, but with fellow Arabs, Christian or Muslim nobody, the ANC included, would give a damn, and the whole Palestinian issue would be largely ignored altogether. Like when Hamas and Fatah slaughter one another where are all the so-called bleeding hearts? I can give other examples.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Obviously anti-Semites are going to hide their Jew-hatred behind all sorts of cover terms and agendas (like Palestinian solidarity), They cannot admit they hate the Jews in an explicit, overt way, not even to themselves. becuase the nthey would have to admit they are not better than the coloniailst supremacists and fascists they are opposed to.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>just because all high-ranking ANC members are not anti-Semitic (case in point Mbeki, who is probably not anti-Semitic, he is just clueless). However other members are, like Kasrils. Or maybe Steve will tell me that Kasrils isn't anti-Semitic 'cause he's a Jew and he doesn't deny the Holocaust blab <BR><BR>sheesh</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68364490"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 03, 2007 at 16:51</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68367552></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68367552> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>just because the ANC charter does not call for the killing of Jews and the SABC does not broadcast documentaries on how the Jews kill Christian children to make matzah and official ANC news-sheets do not reprint the Protocols of Zion as historical truth, does not mean the ANC is not anti-Semitic. And obviously not all ANC members are anti-semitic, it's a generalisation duh. </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>If the ANC supports policies in the Middle-East that seriously undermines and reduces the ability of Israel to defend its citizens from terrorists, while at the same time giving overt support and praise to self-same terrorists who call for the liquidation of millions of Jews/the destruction of Israel(see the ANC and its praise and support for the self-confessed jihadist Arafat, its disgraceful buddy-buddy relationship with the Islamofascist regime of Iran over its entire time as the ruling govt party ie from 1994); if the ANC indulges in routine condemnation of Israel for defending or trying to defend its citizens right to life even through non-violent means like a security barrier, and if at the same time, the ANC has nothing to say about tyranny, mass murder/genocide and mass rapes, pillaging, burnings, dismemberments and torture, the displacement of hundreds of thousands in numerous conflicts on our own tragic continent of Africa, then yes that does make the ANC anti-Semitic, obviously. And not just the ANC...</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>As for the ANC's support for the Palestinians being motivated by a "revolutionary" bond with the ANC, as fellow "struggle" movements or whatever you want to call it, and not Jew-hatred; most everybody doesn't see the obvious here. Namely support for the Palestinians is just a front for Jew-hatred, and always has been. It is just that it is merely cloaked in the "revolutionary" langauge of Marxism and the like.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Oh but I'm not allowed to point out the obvious. Simply not polite. How can I forget, even most Jews don't get it, not at all. If the Palestinians were not at war with the Jews, but with fellow Arabs, Christian or Muslim then nobody, the ANC included, would give a damn, and the whole Palestinian issue would be largely ignored altogether, it would be off the radar screen. Like when Hamas and Fatah slaughter one another where are all the so-called bleeding hearts? I can give other examples.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Obviously "progressive" anti-Semites are going to hide their Jew-hatred behind all sorts of cover terms and slogans (like Palestinian solidarity). They cannot admit they hate the Jews in an explicit, overt way, not even to themselves. Because then they would have to admit they are no better than the colonialist supremacists and fascists (real or imagined) they are opposed to, and to face this terrible truth about themselves is simply impossible for them as a whole, being "progressive" you see.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>just because all high-ranking ANC members are not anti-Semitic (case in point Mbeki, who is probably not anti-Semitic, he is just clueless, like most people, including most Jews), does not mean the ANC is not a party that positively revels in Jew-hatred. Many ANC high-ranking members are pathologically bigoted against Jewry, like Kasrils par example. Or maybe Steve will tell me that Kasrils isn't anti-Semitic 'cause he's a Jew and he doesn't deny the Holocaust blabla </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><BR><STRONG>As for the ANC rank and file, obviously not all of them are anti-Semitic, hardly. probably no more or less so than the DA rank and file or the SA populace as a whole, but as a political party with its official policies, official statements re the Middle-East etc, yes the ANC is anti-Semitic. <BR><BR>sheesh</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Lawrence | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68367552"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 03, 2007 at 17:20</STRONG></FONT></A></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68373650></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68373650> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Lawrence, I couldn't have said it better myself. <BR>It's amazing how most Jews are worked up into a frenzy if someone denies the last holocaust happened, but are so apathetic regarding those, like Hamas and fat Ronnie, who are working to destroy 5 million more Jews.</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Gary | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68373650"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 03, 2007 at 18:19</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68374722></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68374722> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Also Israel's struggle to survvie is undermined everytime some Jew denies that anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism.<BR>To say that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is not one and the same thing is by logical deduction saying either that Israeli Jews, no longer count as Jews, by virtue of living in Israel, or that the blood of diaspora Jews is redder than the blood of Israeli Jews.</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG>Posted by: Gary | </STRONG><A href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2007/04/mbeki_continues.html#comment-68374722"><FONT color=#42426f><STRONG>May 03, 2007 at 18:30</STRONG></FONT></A><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=comment-footer><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV><A id=c68512314></A> <DIV class=comment id=comment-68512314> <DIV class=comment-content> <DIV><STRONG>Hello, Your site is great. 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The MDC is calling for a new democratic people driven constitution to be in place before elections are held to ensure a level operation ground in less than ten months.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The ruling ZANU PF has also called the MDC to accept Mugabe's legitimacy as a condition for talks which the opposition would not risk doing as that would give Mugabe all the leverage to say the MDC's claims of flawed elections were unrealistic which might see sanctions given to Mugabe and his close associates being lifted.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The call by civic society comes over a month after the Zimbabwe Action Movement called for either Zuma or Vavi to mediate the ZANU PF/MDC talks as Mbeki has proved to be a dishonest broker who favours the </SPAN><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Zimbabwe</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">'s lifetime president.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Zimbabwe Political Victims Association (ZIPOVA),General Secretary, Oliver Kubikwa said, his organization backed the African National Congress's deputy president, Jacob Zuma as he has proved to be a man who fight for the cause of the poor.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What </SPAN><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Zimbabwe</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> needs now is not a mediator with an intention of business interests or gaining a regional political mileage but someone who can pull over three quarters of Zimbabweans (about 80%) from below the poverty datum line and that can be done by Zuma as he advocates for the cause of the poor even in </SPAN><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">South Africa</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, added Kubikwa.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">South Africa</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">'s Communists Party, Blade Ndzimande recently questioned Mbeki's efforts in mediating Zimbabwean talks saying he was part and parcel of the crisis with his quite diplomacy. Ndzimande added that Mbeki's foreign policy was an extension of the domestic policy which is against the uplift mend of the poor whilst continuously empowering the rich.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ndzimande's claims were recently supported by the Finance minister Trevor Manuel's comment on the workers day, when he said the gap between the rich and poor will continue to widen as the market grows. Manuel is one of Mbeki's trusted cabinet ministers.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can not expect president Mbeki to be an honest broker in the Zimbabwean crisis which is hitting hard on the poor as he also does not stand for the poor back home, said Ndzimande addressing a gathering of </SPAN><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Zimbabwe</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> and South African civic groups.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Zimbabwe Exiles Forum Director, Advocate Gabriel Shumba added that what </SPAN><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Zimbabwe</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> needs now is someone who puts historical achievements behind and concentrates on the present scenario facing the citizens. Few African leaders up to date have managed to call a spade a spade on the Zimbabwean crisis, only Zambia's Levy Mwanawasa and the outgoing Nigerian president Olusegun Obasanjo have managed to confront Mugabe.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Congress of South Africa Trade Union's General Secretary, Zwelinzima Vavi, also said capitalists in </SPAN><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">South Africa</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> have in the past exploited poor Zimbabweans in their security and hotel industries and said a mediator who is anti-capitalism could bring that to an end as soon as the Zimbabwean crisis is rectified.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jacob Zuma was recently reported to have met a European Union delegation to discuss the Zimbabwean crisis and </SPAN><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">South Africa</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">'s succession debate. Political activist and MDC's </SPAN><ST1:STATE><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">North West</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> district organizing secretary Joshua Rusere said that might be a move by European governments to pursue Zuma to change </SPAN><ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">South Africa</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">'</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">s</SPAN></ST1:PLACE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> approach in handling the Zimbabwean crisis should he be elected as the next ANC president.</SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><div> </div><p>  <hr size=1> Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. <a href="http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU">Try it now</a>.The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836505125560099149.post-3152769751238468762007-05-06T22:32:00.001-07:002007-05-06T22:34:15.655-07:00PRESIDET MBEKI CONGRATULATES NEW D.A. LEADER!<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtQtLqZs9WlGjohVTs71yO5t2XjJpidE0Jx1rfgP6LnazAb1sHOXTMN_gO6DW_lALGSuqU-dhl5TYZZdBhr8bfNrQP9j0A0OJAi6aAwmK5SDN7_IPThJmfPDoVoxkEPkF69wj4_SzjgE8/s1600-h/thabombeki.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtQtLqZs9WlGjohVTs71yO5t2XjJpidE0Jx1rfgP6LnazAb1sHOXTMN_gO6DW_lALGSuqU-dhl5TYZZdBhr8bfNrQP9j0A0OJAi6aAwmK5SDN7_IPThJmfPDoVoxkEPkF69wj4_SzjgE8/s400/thabombeki.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5061687811228193794" /></a><br /><div><STRONG>I'm just listening to the new D.A. President Mrs Hellen Zille who took over from Mr Tony Leon yesterday 6th May, 2007. (I always listen to TALK RADIO 702.)</STRONG></div> <div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>The time now is 20 past 7 am and I heard the lady say she was pleasantly surprised when her cell-phone rang and a voice at the other end said, "Please hold on for President Mbeki!"</STRONG></div> <div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>Then, of course President Mbeki congratulated her on her victory!</STRONG></div> <div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>I hope my cell phone will ring one day soon!</STRONG></div> <div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>" Is that Rev Hove.....Please hold on for President Mbeki!"</STRONG></div> <div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>Then I would abandon the "hunger-strikes" I'm planning at the moment!</STRONG></div> <div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>Mr President, my cell number is 0791463039.</STRONG></div> <div><STRONG>#####################################################</STRONG></div> <div> </div><BR><BR><div> </div><p>  <hr size=1> Yahoo! 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(VERY FRIGHTENING, SOBERING THOUGHT!<H2 class=title><A href="http://www.africanupdate.com/journal/2007/5/5/mugabe-the-martyr.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#003399>Mugabe the martyr</FONT></A> </H2> <DIV class=title><A href="http://www.africanupdate.com/journal/2007/5/5/mugabe-the-martyr.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#003399>http://www.africanupdate.com/journal/2007/5/5/mugabe-the-martyr.html</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV class=title><FONT color=#003399></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=body> <DIV>The pan-African movement was an important movement in the continent's recent history. The idea that Africans, not only in Africa but world-wide, would unite to wrest away the continent's fortunes from European imperialists or Cold War-era superpowers in order to usher in a new, united Africa that acts on its own accord and benefits from its own actions is a truly noble thing.</DIV> <DIV>But in the post-Cold War period, with the Western powers now largely ignoring Africa, the pan-African movement seems to be losing its way. Anyone who does not believe this fact should pick up the May issue of the <EM><A href="http://www.africasia.com/newafrican/" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#003399>New African</FONT></A></EM> magazine, the long-standing, respected publication of the pan-Africanist movement, and they will be convinced. The issue amounts to nothing less than a full, unadulterated sponsorship of Robert Mugabe's failed regime in Zimbabwe and it includes at its zenith an interview, filled with loaded, softball questions, of Mugabe himself with the magazine's editor Baffour Ankomah. In addition to the interview, page after page of a 'sponsored supplement' (sponsored, of course, by Zimbabwe's Ministry of Information and Publicity) paints the country's main opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai as a violent instigator who essentially earned the beating that he received in March at the hands of Mugabe's police force by being a puppet of the West. Other articles take great pains to show that Mugabe actually enjoys wide-ranging support among the people of Zimbabwe. It also blames the country's 2,200% inflation rate and 80% unemployment rate entirely on the ruthless sanctions put into place by the United Kingdom and the United States. The supplement ends with a laughable quote made by Mugabe during his address last month at a gathering that marked the twenty-seventh year of Zimbabwe's independence where he congratulates his citizens for refusing to be "re-colonized" and, in typical Mugabe fashion, continues on to rail against the British government.</DIV> <DIV>There is no mention of the massive food shortages, and resulting starvation, that has occurred since Mugabe's disastrous land redistribution policy began seven years ago. The shortages, of course, are blamed on drought and sanctions. There is no mention of the countless electoral irregularities that have occurred in Zimbabwe. There is no mention of the brutal sweep that Mugabe's thugs made through Harare recently that amounted to the destruction of hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses of Zimbabwe's people. There is plenty of talk about the Southern African Development Community's recent summit in Tanzania that resulted in what amounts to a shocking endorsement of Mugabe and his regime's practices. There is also plenty of discussion about the secret backroom dealings of the US and British governments, ruthlessly trying to undermine Mugabe's poor, peaceful, government despite the fact that it only wants what is best for its citizens.</DIV> <DIV>Let's concede that Zimbabwe's situation might in fact be more complicated than what is regularly presented in the Western press. Its current troubles may be caused by a number of issues, it is fine to recognize that fact and it is fine to try to present both sides of the story. But when a nation's "democratically" elected leader, who has been in power for twenty-seven years, presides over a government that has the highest inflation rate in the world, one of the highest unemployment rates in the world, and the lowest life-expectancy in the world and, at the same time, is facing extreme food shortages that will likely result in the death of large numbers of its population, regularly ignores the rulings of the judicial branch of its government, suppresses freedom of the media, is continuously accused of human rights abuses by a wide range of governments and nongovernmental organizations, has been accused of rigging elections by multiple sources, and openly beats and tortures political opponents, that, in a nutshell, is the definition of a failed state. How would it be possible for a leader of such a failed state to hold any popularity at all unless it was through deception and tyrannical means? It is simply impossible.</DIV> <DIV>Now, even if it is conceded that Mugabe isn't entirely to blame for the situation in Zimbabwe (and that would be a lot to concede), even if we agree that the West has to share some of the blame, how could anybody or any media outlet advance the notion, in 2007, that Mugabe is a freedom fighting victim of Western imperialism? How could anyone say that Mugabe really just wants what is best for the people of Zimbabwe and that if it wasn't for Tony Blair and George W. Bush and the evil meddling of their governments this would be the golden age of Zimbabwe?</DIV> <DIV>It is a sad indication of the status of the pan-Africanist movement today when one of its most important media outlets decides to accept such an obviously flawed and dangerous argument. It is ironic too that Mugabe's argument is, in the end, diametrically opposed to the well-being of Zimbabwe's people, African people, the very thing that the pan-Africanists should be fighting hardest to protect.</DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR><div> </div><p>  <hr size=1> The <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/nowyoucan/free_from_isp/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40565/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html">all-new Yahoo! Mail</a> goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.The Radical Mindset!http://www.blogger.com/profile/06773394621026095967noreply@blogger.com0